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Sondland just testified that the Bidens were never mentioned in the conversation.
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Quid pro quo, means this for that. I'll send you the military aid, once you announce an investigation, a "favor." Trump asked for it, because he directly benefits from it. It helps his reelection campaign if his opponent is under investigation. Hopefully we can all see that. Quid pro quo isn't illegal in and of itself, the US does it all the time. But what Trump was asking interferes in the US's political process. SO forget about quid pro quo, Trump solicited help from a foreign nation. He explicitly did it, requesting that Zelensky look into the Bidens and the debunked conspiracy theory that Ukraine interfered in the 2016 election. It is accepted by the entire intelligence community that Russia was behind it. SO regardless of quid pro quo, it is illegal for a candidate or campaign to "solicit" help from a foreign gov't, whether it's money or something else of value. Bribery is also illegal, and grounds for impeachment. "specific intent to give or receive something of value (Biden investigation) in exchange for an official act (meeting at WH, military aide). So then Biden should expect the police at his door any minute? Trump didn't do anything of the sort. Biden was there on official bipartisan US business, getting rid of a CORRUPT official, that was NOT investigating (including Burisma) corrupt corporations. Biden in his OFFICIAL bipartisan US business wanted a official in there that would actually investigate corruption... INCLUDING Burisma!!! If Biden where doing what you are claiming, he would want the corrupt official kept in office, so he would still not investigate Burisma. Not sure why this is difficult to understand? . It's still quid pro quo no matter what the reason Biden was there. Not sure why THIS is difficult to understand.
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Has anyone shown that any laws have been broken????????????????? What laws?????????????????
Where's the "high crime"?
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Schiif is fishing,,,and fishing,,,and fishing,,,and fishing.............NO crimes in the lake he is fishing in....LOL>>>LOL
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How is Trump asking for an investigation not bipartisan? Do we not all want to know the truth?
On one hand it sounds like you are glad they got rid of a prosecutor who was not investigating, then complaining that we tried to get the new one to investigate. This is one tough shell game to follow.
So.. A Republican President, wants to investigate his #1 Political opponent of the Democratic Party would in what world be bipartisan. . The truth is never partisan. Why would anyone in any party be afraid of learning the truth? Do you feel this treaty burdens the president to work with Ukraine in rooting our criminal behavior? https://www.congress.gov/treaty-document/106th-congress/16/document-textIf not, why not? That's three questions if you'd be so kind. Thank you.
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Not sure why THIS is difficult to understand.
Consider who you are trying to elucidate. A serial moron...
A good principle to guide me through life: “This is all I have come to expect, standard lackluster performance. Trust nothing, believe no one and realize it will only get worse…”
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Two years of Mueller, than Nadler, then racist accusations, then recession promoting, then quid pro quo- then not- then oh yes it is again. Throw in invented Russian Hookers, Russian interference, Ukranian corruption that made Hunter Biden rich as hell, fake dossier, security leaks, destruction of all devices from Hillary's team members, Biden bragging about his QPQ and while we are at it add Blasey-ford and death of Epstein and some other bs and what do you have? Nothing but improprieties (polite word) of the democratic party still supported by people having nerve enough to say that DJT eluding to something is an impeachable offense.
To look at this item through the enormous microscope while ignoring all these other points is nothing short of derangement.
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They won't vote to impeach, though they will have the vote. All about tainting Trump with the Scarlet "I" (impeachment). IF they send it to the senate they will have a trial, and unlike the house's current status with demand letters masquerading as subpeonas, the senate will subpeona Eric Ciaramella, the Bidens, Schiff, etc and expose Schiff's sham impeachment attempt for that it is... a Schiff Show. The D's can't have that exposure.
The house D's from red districts aren't going to vote for impeachment. The best outcome for the democrats is to vote for impeachment, have it fail and then they can say "Well Trump is obviously guilty of high crimes and misdemeanors and we tried to impeach him but didn't have the votes," (nevermind they can't show where any crime/misdemeanor was committed). Mad Maxine will be all "We peached fodi fi!"
It's about like this:
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He is really impressed with who he thinks he is My impression as well.
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If asking a foreign government to investigate your political opponent is such a "high crime" why is Hilary not in jail? Pardon the inconvenient question....
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What about any of this is impeachable? Investigating corruption in any country looking for aid from US is the President’s duty under Article ll. Burisma is corrupt, Ukraine has been one of the most corrupt countries on the planet. Burisma Pres ran off with $23M of US money per Kent. Both US and GB are still trying to recover. In my life I’ve never seen someone twist and create an incident that never happened. Even if Trump wanted the Bidens looked into and mentioned it it still falls under his Article II responsibility. They’ll never be any connection to an inappropriate exchange, “do this and you’ll get the money”, cause it never happened. Again, somehow in today’s environment apparently the left knows what you’re thinking. Thought police were a very useful tools in Nazi Germany, Soviet Union, China, and now apparently in the U.S.A.
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He sure is thirsty. Gonna have to call for a pee break. He is really impressed with who he thinks he is Yup.
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Deflect, deflect, launch countermeasures! YOu guys must not be watching, because Sondland is the direct link, no hearsay. Very clear quid pro quo, whatever you want to call it, I don't care. Behavior unbecoming for POTUS, and illegal, and not what we, meaning WE the people, want any Potus to do, use their influence for personal gain. Trump is slimy, dirty, and does NOT have our best interests in mind, only his own self-enrichment, that's it. We can find other GOP candidates that will do a far better job. So asking a country to help the U.S. AG with an investigation into corruption that may involve the Biden's from 2016 when the Democrats were using the Ukrainians to gin up what turned out to be false dirt on Trump, and the Ukrainians were hoping Clinton would win by the way, you think that is wrong. I think that is exactly why we voted for Trump. To clean up the swamp that is pervasive in Washington. If it is OK for Obama and his people to do any of this, which they did, than Trump asking the Ukrainian President to root out the corruption that made up these false accusation against him should at the very least be OK.
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The people who overheard Sondland and Trump in the Kiev restaurant, if its proven they spoke to several others in the following weeks that Sondland and Trump both spoke about Biden in the restaurant... then he just perjured himself. Deflect, deflect, launch countermeasures! YOu guys must not be watching, because Sondland is the direct link, no hearsay. Very clear quid pro quo, whatever you want to call it, I don't care. Behavior unbecoming for POTUS, and illegal, and not what we, meaning WE the people, want any Potus to do, use their influence for personal gain. Trump is slimy, dirty, and does NOT have our best interests in mind, only his own self-enrichment, that's it. We can find other GOP candidates that will do a far better job. Both you losers are gonna be disappointed in this outcome as well. Get help for your TDS, It's embarrassing.
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The people who overheard Sondland and Trump in the Kiev restaurant, if its proven they spoke to several others in the following weeks that Sondland and Trump both spoke about Biden in the restaurant... then he just perjured himself. Deflect, deflect, launch countermeasures! YOu guys must not be watching, because Sondland is the direct link, no hearsay. Very clear quid pro quo, whatever you want to call it, I don't care. Behavior unbecoming for POTUS, and illegal, and not what we, meaning WE the people, want any Potus to do, use their influence for personal gain. Trump is slimy, dirty, and does NOT have our best interests in mind, only his own self-enrichment, that's it. We can find other GOP candidates that will do a far better job. Both you losers are gonna be disappointed in this outcome as well. Get help for your TDS, It's embarrassing. Sondland also say Trump never mentioned a quid pro quo to him. He at most just surmised it. I didn't know we had mind readers now. I thought that was always a myth.
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The people who overheard Sondland and Trump in the Kiev restaurant, if its proven they spoke to several others in the following weeks that Sondland and Trump both spoke about Biden in the restaurant... then he just perjured himself. Deflect, deflect, launch countermeasures! YOu guys must not be watching, because Sondland is the direct link, no hearsay. Very clear quid pro quo, whatever you want to call it, I don't care. Behavior unbecoming for POTUS, and illegal, and not what we, meaning WE the people, want any Potus to do, use their influence for personal gain. Trump is slimy, dirty, and does NOT have our best interests in mind, only his own self-enrichment, that's it. We can find other GOP candidates that will do a far better job. Both you losers are gonna be disappointed in this outcome as well. Get help for your TDS, It's embarrassing. Sondland also say Trump never mentioned a quid pro quo to him. He at most just surmised it. I didn't know we had mind readers now. I thought that was always a myth. Beyond mind reading, he also admitted ignorance of the president's responsibility to rule out corruption before bestowing foreign aid. You don't suppose that colored his assumptions?.....
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How is Trump asking for an investigation not bipartisan? Do we not all want to know the truth?
On one hand it sounds like you are glad they got rid of a prosecutor who was not investigating, then complaining that we tried to get the new one to investigate. This is one tough shell game to follow.
So.. A Republican President, wants to investigate his #1 Political opponent of the Democratic Party would in what world be bipartisan. He could just drop hints in the press... and it blow up anyway. He instead used Congressional bipartisan approved Military aid, to get another country to investigate his main political opponent in the Democratic Party.. Why not call FBI... they would do it for him. Next Democratic President should just get China and Russia to investigate the entire Republican Party, so they could use that information in every congressional and senate elections the next 10 years... Totally bipartisan... In return they could just give them the Treasonous South as payments. . Is Biden the nominee for the Democrat party for 2020?
That's ok, I'll ass shoot a dink.
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Once again, where's the crime? What law(s) has been broken?
Have the Demons made up a new one?
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Idiot??? Yes you very much resemble that remark.
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MM, Google "public corruption" laws, that is what the House is looking to prove.
Remember why, specifically, the Bill of Rights was written...remember its purpose. It was written to limit the power of government over the individual.
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