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358 Winchester Load Data #14317619 11/27/19
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I have a browning blr in 358 on the way and have been looking at load data online. It seems I need to order some TAC if I want speed. I’m leaning towards 200 grain Hornady ftx or the Sierra 225 grain gameking. I hunt average sized whitetail so a premium bullet wouldn’t be necessary. Especially at 358 speeds. If anyone has worked with the blr with the 20” tube and wants to share some info it would be much appreciated.

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I've used the 225 SGK in my BLR to kill a WT doe--about 85 yds, pass through the ribs with a 1.5 inch exit. Jogged about 20 yds and piled up. My load used H4895 and chrono'd around 2380 f/s. Data from the aged Barnes #3 using Reloder 7 or IMR 4198 shows pretty good velocities for 200-225 gr bullets, others have popped primers with this info. TAC seems to be the current fave.

There is a good bit of info here on the Fire about this in not-so-old threads...here's an older thread if you haven't found it yet: https://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php/topics/2291495/1

Re: 358 Winchester Load Data [Re: Rockchucker83] #14318034 11/27/19
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I used the 200 gr Remington in SP and FP. Don't remember the load. I know I used CCI match primers and Lake City brass match prepped and then one time through the 358 Winchester die. When you resize to a larger caliber it generally shrinks the length and to a smaller bore size they need trimming to length. The powder was 4064 until I ran out, then Varget. Both were middle of the book used for my personal max. I used the start load and worked up to the middle. I never had any tracking to do after shooting a whitetail. Usually made at most ten yards. Lots of bullets to try. I have a collection of good bullets and want to try the 180 TTSX next. But then there is the three box collection of 275 gr Hornady, Some 225 gr Accubonds, 280 gr WFN and on.... Good luck and Be Well, Rustyzipper.

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Originally Posted by PA_Bob
I've used the 225 SGK in my BLR to kill a WT doe--about 85 yds, pass through the ribs with a 1.5 inch exit. Jogged about 20 yds and piled up. My load used H4895 and chrono'd around 2380 f/s. Data from the aged Barnes #3 using Reloder 7 or IMR 4198 shows pretty good velocities for 200-225 gr bullets, others have popped primers with this info. TAC seems to be the current fave.

There is a good bit of info here on the Fire about this in not-so-old threads...here's an older thread if you haven't found it yet: https://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php/topics/2291495/1


I did a little research and found some 180 grain data from the Barnes #3 using H4198 and 180 grain bullets that look really good. I’d love to get my hands on the 200 grain data using the H4198 beings I have several pounds of it and currently run it in a couple of rifles already.

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While not in .358, I have used Hornady Inter-lok 200gr. RN and Sierra Game King 225gr. in my .35 Whelen using IMR 3031 with the 200gr. and IMR 4064 with the 225gr. Both bullets have yielded great accuracy and good performance on whitetails. I would not hesitate to use these bullets and powders in .358.

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I’d hunt anything with the 225 sgk in a 358 or whelen

49 gr tac in the 358
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Originally Posted by Judman
I’d hunt anything with the 225 sgk in a 358 or whelen

49 gr tac in the 358
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Have you measured expanded diameter?


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Re: 358 Winchester Load Data [Re: Rockchucker83] #14321026 11/28/19
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Originally Posted by Rockchucker83
Originally Posted by PA_Bob
I've used the 225 SGK in my BLR to kill a WT doe--about 85 yds, pass through the ribs with a 1.5 inch exit. Jogged about 20 yds and piled up. My load used H4895 and chrono'd around 2380 f/s. Data from the aged Barnes #3 using Reloder 7 or IMR 4198 shows pretty good velocities for 200-225 gr bullets, others have popped primers with this info. TAC seems to be the current fave.

There is a good bit of info here on the Fire about this in not-so-old threads...here's an older thread if you haven't found it yet: https://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php/topics/2291495/1


I did a little research and found some 180 grain data from the Barnes #3 using H4198 and 180 grain bullets that look really good. I’d love to get my hands on the 200 grain data using the H4198 beings I have several pounds of it and currently run it in a couple of rifles already.


This is what I have copied from Barnes #3, .358 WIN data:

200 Barnes XFB Hodgdon H-4198 39.0 2,428
Remarks:
200 Barnes XFB Hodgdon H-4198 43.0 2,677
Remarks: maximum load

Usual cautions, hope this helps.

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My favorite load is with 200 grain Hornady SP and H4895.

Mule Deer had an article in Handloader a while back and he got high velocity with TAC.


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I've had a 358 BLR for quite a while. If you want speed, Ramshot's TAC or XTerminator will give you between 2550-2600 with the 200's in it. I use mostly the 200 Hornady Interlock which last deer I shot with it was with 51.0 of TAC at around 2550 fps. At 200 yards and it went right through, busting out the opposite shoulder. IMR4064 is a great all around accurate powder in it, but it won't give you the velocity with it. In mine, 200's with it are around 2400-2450 fps with a max load. 48.5 grns with the 200 Sierra shoots great but is around 2400 fps. I use it for a woods load in one place I hunt where shots aren't more than about 60-70 yards. With the 225 Sierra and IMR4064, I was getting 2450 and good accuracy.

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Thanks for the replies fellas. I’ve got some 4895 and 4198 lying around, I just picked up a pound of Re7, and I have a couple pounds of Tac on the way via midway (got a couple lbs beings I can’t find it local). The rifle should be here this week and I am anxious to get my hands on it and get to loading and shooting.

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Have you considered the 180 Barnes TTSX??

Very accurate in my 99

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Originally Posted by hanco
Have you considered the 180 Barnes TTSX??

Very accurate in my 99


I’ve thought about trying them. I have wondered how they’d fit beings I am limited to the box magazine. Those Barnes are long but I have read about people using them with success.

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I load 49.0 grs of TAC behind a 225 gr Woodleigh.


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I shot two mule deer in Wyoming this year with 200 grain Hornady SP bullets. (not SST or SPBT) They worked very well. The SP style seems to be more accurate than BT's in my 700 and was in my BLR.


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I've been using the 356 since they came out, prior to that used the 358. In the 358 used various 250gr bullets over 48gr of 4064. When switched to the 356 stuck with 4064 over 44gr. I just built a 24in barrel mod 94 356 and have figured out that 4084 is not an optimum powder. Going to experiment with TAC, RL-7, IMR 4198 and H4895 with the 200gr Hornady RN for hunting in area's without brown bears. Looking for recommendations for a better powder for the 250gr Kodiaks, thanks.

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Originally Posted by markak338fed
I've been using the 356 since they came out, prior to that used the 358. In the 358 used various 250gr bullets over 48gr of 4064. When switched to the 356 stuck with 4064 over 44gr. I just built a 24in barrel mod 94 356 and have figured out that 4084 is not an optimum powder. Going to experiment with TAC, RL-7, IMR 4198 and H4895 with the 200gr Hornady RN for hunting in area's without brown bears. Looking for recommendations for a better powder for the 250gr Kodiaks, thanks.


Mark,

If you need to find or need more of RL-7 or H4198 and live in south central Alaska I got some I will give you a screaming deal on.

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Alaska_lanch, pm sent. Also wondering if anyone has used AA-2460 or 2520 in 358 or 356.

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Originally Posted by markak338fed
....Also wondering if anyone has used AA-2460 or 2520 in 358 or 356.


In my 20" BLR I got 2450 f/s at 49.0 gr 2520 w/ the Hornady 200 gr SP, below average accuracy (2-2.5 inches); I used WLRM primers--WLRs were consistently 75-100 f/s slower and accuracy was even worse.

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