Home Forums Hunting & Shooting Hunting Rifles More accurate 30-06, 280, 270, 308?

Pretty tough to prove a negative, which is what you are asking me to do. My 6.5-06AI shoots clovers so I know long-action cartridges based on the .30-06 length are doable.

These people seem to agree:

https://www.sniperforums.com/forum/rifles/23119-1-4-moa-30-06-sticks.html

As you say, facts is facts and feelings and wishes don't matter. You must be feeling butthurt.

I can only conclude that Mule Deer is correct, in that most either don't read the original post or don't care if their response is relevant to it.

Unfortunately that relates little to the original question in that you left out 2 of the options. I have or have had them all-well one was a .280AI-,in addition to a .22-250 that is extremely accurate. However, mentioning it would have no bearing on the OP's question. Along with throwing in my .280AI which is steller accurate. The .22-250 nor the .280AI don't count when answering the OP's question.

Nor does "for me" count for anything in relation to the original question. The original was asking for an absolute, and the winners circle says .308W until one of the other three takes its place.

Addition: Guess what, I'm off base. Hmmm, the original question was "your actual experience". Which has nothing to do with competition. My error.

I didn’t ask you to prove a negative, maybe English isn’t your first language.

A guy asked, of these four cartridges, which is the most accurate. One is proven to be more accurate, period. If one cartridge will shoot in the twos, and another will shoot in the threes or fours, the one that shoots in the twos is more accurate.

Then a bunch of guys stand up and say my rifle shoots “this good”, and it’s good enough. Which has nothing to do with the original question.

And then the twisting of words and “butthurt” comments comes out. Ahhhh.... the good old campfire.

If you want an accurate rifle buy a Creedmoor .....

Unless you're straight....

If I am not mistaken, the OP asked about personal or actual experience.
SO, for ME as in my personal experience the 270 shoots more accurately than the 06.

I was also implying that a cheap old $299 tc venture out shoots a $600 tikka... and now that has nothing to do with the original question. Unless the 270 is just more accurate than the 06. Hmmm

You are not mistaken. See my addition correction, where I beat you to acknowledging your above comment.

I shoot off sandbags and don't use any muzzle brake - ever . I find my lightweight 30/06 recoils enough to affect bench work, the .270 is the cutoff for tolerable recoil, hence I shoot it much better
I bet the .280 would be equally as good... and don't care for the NATO round- the .308.

XXXX Right !

That was funny !!

On top OF, the crapmoor is NOT among the choices! DUH !


Jerry

Holy fu ck, the op asked what our own personal experiences have been. Your post went way out if context. CH was right because that has been his own personal experience. Along with many of us here that actually listed what has been the most accurate in our experience. I dont like the 270 w much, but from what ive seen with many hunting rifles chambered for this cartridge is they have been damn accurate. Thats why i listed it in the number 1 spot. The least accurate (in my experience) has been the 308. Theres no right or wrong in a question like this. Unless, of course, the op is taking a poll and lists which one prevails. And if that is the case, you may want to prepare yourself because it looks like the 270 might be in the lead.

You wrote with respect to finding a quarter MAO .30-06/280/270. Your obvious implication, given your previous statements, is that they don't exist and smiths won't build them. No one can prove they don't exist or that smiths won't build them. .So, yes, you asked for a negative proof.

Instead I provided an example of people claiming to have such rifles, including my custom 6.5-06AI, a .30-06-based cartridge that wasn't on the list. (Krieger built, 1-8 twist, match grade fluted heavy barrel on trued Interarms Mark X action, minimum chamber, Timney trigger, bedded in Boyd laminate stock. Krieger did all the smith work,) Not "good enough", quarter MOA.

Are factory .308's more accurate than factory .30-06, .280 Rem or .270 Rem? Depends on the specific rifle. Are custom .308's all quarter MOA rifles? No. Are they all more accurate them custom rifles using a .30-06-based cartridge? No. Are they all more accurate than all factory rifles built for .30-06-based cartridges? No again.

Is it easier to build quarter-MOA rifles in .308 Win than with .30-06-based cartridges? Possibly, but that is a far cry from saying rifles based on the .30-06 cartridge can't be quarter-MOA or proving that building such rifles is significantly more difficult.

I saw a lot of opinion in your post but it was short on facts.

Bought a 6.5 Gaymore a couple weekends ago. Savage 12FV (synthetic, 26" heavy barrel, black). Waiting for the coincidence of warm weather and a weekend at home to shoot it. Will try factory ammo first. If it is nearly as accurate as my custom 6.5-06AI I'll be one very happy camper.

Ruger and Winchester both tracked accuracy between the 30-06 and 308 over something like 10,000 rifles each. In both instances the 308 Win was the clear accuracy winner. For anyone that has spent much time with a variety of these cartridges, I’m surprised this is even a discussion.

Dixie Rebel;
Good evening to you sir, I hope that the end of the second weekend of December finds you well.

While I am going to assume you meant to write "all four are very close in performance", in my case I'm restricted to answering about 3 of them given your criteria of actual experience.

In the .30-06's that I've played with - I can think of 4 off the top of my head, but there might be another one - anyway while I did shoot 165's in a couple of them in the one I shot the most I went to 180gr because they shot a wee bit better and were just a tad slower than 165's. Depending upon barrel length with the powders I used they were reasonably close to published velocities. If it matters, one of the '06's was a drop block single shot and the remainder bolt guns.

Have yet to own or hand load for a .280, though a buddy has one and is happy with all aspects of it.

For .270's there were 4 that I fooled with and loaded for that I recall. Since 2 of my shooting/gunsmith work mentors were bonafide disciples of Mr. O'Connor - one actually gave me a .270 barrel, insisting I unscrew that "useless '06 pipe" - I was pretty indoctrinated in all things .270. Overall I'd say that the velocities were easier to hit with 24" barrels. The .270's were all bolt guns too by the way.

Lastly with .308's there's got to be more than the 5 which spring immediately to my somewhat age thickened memory tonight. Again as with the .270, I'd say that the velocities were easier to hit with at least a 22" barrel. I'll note I played with a couple of the 788 carbines which have something like 18" barrels. The .308's were bolt actions, except for a Savage 99 that I just recalled.

As far as ease of accuracy was concerned, other than the Savage 99, the .308's were the easiest to get to shoot small groups. The short barreled 788's made groups small enough that most folks thought they'd been rebarreled. They were epoxy bedded, but then most of the bolt actions I've mentioned also were.

Despite a lifetime of fooling with various .308" diameter cartridges - hence the BC30cal handle - eventually I rebarreled the .270 to a 6.5x55 because I felt it kicked less than and gave equal or greater tissue damage than the various .270 bullets I'd used on local mulie and whitetail bucks. I'm cognizant you didn't ask about that last part either sir, but felt that in somewhat of a 'Fire tradition I'd have to veer off through the ditch a wee bit, no?

All the best to you and Merry Christmas.

Dwayne

Yes, I threw in the 4th (308) as an after thought. Great post, thanks for sharing your input.

Thanks for sharing this information.

I agree 100% Brad

All are very capable calibers. All depends on the quality of componets used, gunsmith, custom loaded ammo for said particular rifle, and rifle driver.

The 308 is the only one that I would call inherently accurate. All the others are capable of one hole groups if shot out of an unlimited rail gun with it difficult to pick a winner among all the 06 based cartridges. None of this will matter or even show up in most hunting rifles.