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Originally Posted by Robert_White
Your rudeness is only exceeded by your self imposed ignorance.

The American first covenant, made with God and good men begins with an appeal to the "laws of nature and nature's God."

This public fervent and enthusiastic endorsement of Sodomy is a public denial of the Declaration and a public insult to God and a denial of the Founding Fathers.

You are a very uninformed man. I suggest you set aside your baseless arrogance and go read Blackstone.

.................Let me tell u something pal......I know more about the US Constitution and laws therein than you ever could conceive. My self imposed ignorance? What a laugh and a joke you are!...

And what does Christianity have to do with your original post? I still do not read from you any specific violations of the Constitution as it relates to the POTUS and his foreign policy, whereby as well, you are calling for the resignation of VP Pence....

My rudeness? GOOD! That means that you are offended.......AAAAAAAAAH!!!!

Now cite some Constitutional laws and statues whereby YOU can justify a Pence resignation....Nevermind what emotional, opinionated blather and bloviating that your damned liberal news sources happen to BURP UP...

Pretend you are now in a court of law and PROVE your CASE!!!.............Otherwise???????


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Originally Posted by Robert_White
No seriously...
Are you pro sodomy?
Are you yourself inclined that way?
I don't understand this animus for well established American values going back prior to the Founding.

Please give a plain explanation.


Seriously


This is you at your best, displaying some weird values that you believe to represent those of Americans. Are you a pedophile? You display a morbid fascination for sodomy of which you doth protest too much. If I offend you may I be smitten. LMFAO


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Originally Posted by Robert_White
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And the grave of Christ is still empty.


You are presuming he even existed.


I find it hard to hate you!
God in Grace gift you with the Grace of sight!

Daniel 9 is very clear, written over. 300 years in advance

The anointed one was to come prior to the destruction of the Temple.
There was a time and place foretold in exact detail.

But then again...
Christ did not even exist! LOL


Now you are resorting to circular reasoning.
Fallacies do not begin and end with Ad Hominids.

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You didn't use logic or reason to get into this opinion, I cannot use logic or reason to get you out of it.

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Originally Posted by Robert_White


And you ignore what you post:

These rules variously (according to the several differing schools of natural-law and natural-rights speculation) are derived from divine commandment; from the nature of humankind; from abstract Reason; or from long experience of mankind in community.

The part I specifically reject is Divine Command Theory. If you believe it DCT, by extension, you MUST accept the action of the 19 hijackers on 9/11 since they were obeying commands are revealed to them by their God.


You didn't use logic or reason to get into this opinion, I cannot use logic or reason to get you out of it.

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Amusing and terrifying all at the same time.



A brief glimpse as to why the GULAG system was so effective. No shortage of people willing to sell their fellow man out. Either monetary reasons or simple offense.


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I liked it better in the old days, when you could spot 'em from a block away, ranting on the street corner.

You didn't have to listen to 'em to figure out they were batsh*t crazy.



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Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
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Weren't any hetero men qualified for the job?


Exactly.


So by your reasoning, anyone who is not heterosexual is automatically disqualified?


Yeah,...that works for me.


Just exactly from what all do you consider them disqualified from?

Disqualified from all government service?
Disqualified from all employment?
Disqualified from living?

How far down this rabbit hole do you go?


Disqualified from representing American interests with foreign countries.

,...makes for bad optics.

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It's pretty evident who the atheists and peter puffers among us are.

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Originally Posted by JamesJr
It's pretty evident who the atheists and peter puffers among us are.


Can you justify the morality of your position without appealing to the supernatural?


You didn't use logic or reason to get into this opinion, I cannot use logic or reason to get you out of it.

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Originally Posted by Robert_White
Your rudeness is only exceeded by your self imposed ignorance.

The American first covenant, made with God and good men begins with an appeal to the "laws of nature and nature's God."

This public fervent and enthusiastic endorsement of Sodomy is a public denial of the Declaration and a public insult to God and a denial of the Founding Fathers.

You are a very uninformed man. I suggest you set aside your baseless arrogance and go read Blackstone.

.................Let me tell u something pal......I know more about the US Constitution and laws therein than you ever could conceive. My self imposed ignorance? What a laugh and a joke you are!...

And what does Christianity have to do with your original post? I still do not read from you any specific violations of the Constitution as it relates to the POTUS and his foreign policy, whereby as well, you are calling for the resignation of VP Pence....

My rudeness? GOOD! That means that you are offended.......AAAAAAAAAH!!!!

Now cite some Constitutional laws and statues whereby YOU can justify a Pence resignation....Nevermind what emotional, opinionated blather and bloviating that your damned liberal news sources happen to BURP UP...

Pretend you are now in a court of law and PROVE your CASE!!!.............Otherwise???????


I took you to the highest court of all, the laws of nature and nature's God, but you refused to hear.
Our founding fathers resorted to this court in the Declaration.
You refuse to acknowledge these facts.
Our very nation was born in "An appeal to heaven and the contest of arms"

Quite frankly I am shocked at the total brain dead brainwashing I see displayed here in blind devotion to Trump.
Haven't any of you studied the Declaration? Locke? Sam Adams? Patrick Henry? The 2nd Treatise or the relationship of Britain's struggles against tyrants? Lex Rex? Algernon Sydney?


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Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
Originally Posted by JamesJr
It's pretty evident who the atheists and peter puffers among us are.


Can you justify the morality of your position without appealing to the supernatural?



I don't have to justify anything. All a fool has to do is look around and he will see God everywhere, providing he isn't blind. As far as queers go, that's simple.........they are sick SOB's.

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Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
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It's pretty evident who the atheists and peter puffers among us are.


Can you justify the morality of your position without appealing to the supernatural?


Our founding fathers never debated in that context; excepting Paine at the end of his life. And he was abhorred because of it. The French Revolution was the play of the atheists.


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Originally Posted by Robert_White
No seriously...
Are you pro sodomy?
Are you yourself inclined that way?
I don't understand this animus for well established American values going back prior to the Founding.

Please give a plain explanation.


Seriously


This is you at your best, displaying some weird values that you believe to represent those of Americans. Are you a pedophile? You display a morbid fascination for sodomy of which you doth protest too much. If I offend you may I be smitten. LMFAO


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Please quote me affirming weird values.
Natural law is weird values?
I learn new things every day...


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Originally Posted by Jim_Conrad
Amusing and terrifying all at the same time.



A brief glimpse as to why the GULAG system was so effective. No shortage of people willing to sell their fellow man out. Either monetary reasons or simple offense.


The French Revolution was the context of what you describe.
Not the American Revolution with its Protestant and natural law underpinnings


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Right.


Heh!


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appeal-to-heavenThe Appeal to Heaven Flag was one of the “Independence flags” used by the American colonist’s during the American Revolution. The flag was used originally in October 1775 when George Washington acting as commander-in-chief of the Continental Army, commissioned six warships to display the flags during their war with the British.

The phrase “Appeal to Heaven” is used several times in the political writings of John Locke. In his published work, The Two Treatises of Government. Locke draws from the Bible to illustrate the principle:

What is my Remedy against a Robber, that so broke into my House? Appeal to the Law for Justice. But perhaps Justice is denied, or I am crippled and cannot stir, robbed and have not the means to do it. If God has taken away all means of seeking remedy, there is nothing left but patience. But my Son, when able, may seek the Relief of the Law, which I am denied: He or his Son may renew his Appeal, till he recover his Right. But the Conquered, or their Children, have no Court, no Arbitrator on Earth to appeal to. Then they may appeal, as Jephthah did, to Heaven, and repeat their Appeal, till they have recovered the native Right of their Ancestors

Our Founding Father understood that an “Appeal to Heaven” was the last resort for any oppressed people when all other form of redress of grievances has been exhausted. This principle was also taught by Christ in the Parable of the Persistent Widow found in Luke 18:1-8.

America’s Founding Fathers, took this as a slogan after they had realized that years of appeals to the British Government to address their issues had fallen upon deaf ears. The Declaration of Independence made it known to the King of England that they were going over his head. Their appeal now would be to the King of Kings!

We, therefore, the Representatives of the united States of America, in General Congress, Assembled, appealing to the Supreme Judge of the world for the [righteousness] of our intentions, do, in the Name, and by Authority of the good People of these Colonies, solemnly publish and declare, That these United Colonies are, and of Right ought to be Free and Independent States.

How did a nation of “farmers with pitchforks” defeat the greatest military superpower of the day? Our Founding Fathers cite two reasons. First, their cause was righteous. Second, they firmly believed that their appeal to heaven resulted in God moving on behalf of the newly created American nation. Today’s secularist would have us to believe that God does not exist and that He does not intercede in the affairs of men. The testimony of our Founding Fathers disagrees.

On August 1, 1776, Samuel Adams delivered the follow speech at the State House in Philadelphia: “There are instances of, I would say, an almost astonishing providence in our favor; our success has staggered our enemies, and almost given faith to infidels; so we may truly say it is not our own arm which has saved us. The hand of Heaven appears to have led us on to be, perhaps, humble instruments and means in the great providential dispensation which is completing. We have fled from the political Sodom; let us not look back lest we perish and become a monument of infamy and derision to the world.

George Washington stated that if a person could not see the hand of God during their great struggle, they were worse than an unbeliever: “The Hand of providence has been so conspicuous in all this, that he must be worse than an infidel that lacks faith, and more than wicked, that has not gratitude enough to acknowledge his obligations.”

During this time, the Constitutional Convention in 1787, the deliberations were deadlocked, and some of the delegates from New York had even left. Just when things began to look hopeless that the United States would ever have a federal Constitution, Benjamin Franklin stood and addressed George Washington and the other delegates.

James Madison, the convention’s Secretary, recorded for all posterity the words of Benjamin Franklin. What Mr. Franklin said on the floor of the Constitutional Convention is relevant today to counter those who insist that our founding fathers never intended God, prayer or the Bible to influence the affairs of government. Here is a portion of what he said:

In the beginning of the contest with Great Britain, when we were sensible of danger, we had daily prayer in this room for our divine protection. Our prayers, Sir, were heard, and they were graciously answered. All of us who were engaged in the struggle must have observed frequent instances of a superintending Providence in our favor. To that kind of Providence, we owe this happy opportunity of consulting in peace on the means of establishing our future national [happiness]. And have we now forgotten this powerful friend? Or do we imagine we no longer need His assistance? I have lived, Sir, a long time, and the longer I live, the more convincing proofs I see of this truth— that God governs in the affairs of men. And if a sparrow cannot fall to the ground without His notice, is it probable that an empire cannot rise without His aid? We have been assured, Sir, in the sacred writings, that “except the Lord build the house, they labor in vain that build it.” I firmly believe this; and I also believe that without His concurring aid, we shall succeed in this political building no better than the builders of Babel… I therefore beg leave to move—that henceforth prayers imploring the assistance of heaven, and its blessing on our deliberations, be held in this assembly every morning before we proceed to business, and that one or more of the clergy of this city be requested to officiate in that service.

When an objective and unbiased individual reads Mr. Franklin’s speech on the floor of the Constitutional Convention, one cannot help but acknowledge many truths about Mr. Franklin, his faith and the role he felt that God and Christianity should play in the affairs of government.

He felt it was perfectly acceptable for government officials, as part of their official duties, to pray and ask God for divine guidance, direction, favor and protection for their nation.
He believed in a personal God who not only heard their prayers, but also answered them.
He believed God had personally intervened in the war and had shown favor to the colonists’ cause.
He demonstrates his knowledge of the Judeo-Christian Bible by referring to the “sacred writings,” and then quoting two scripture passages and referring to another biblical event. This shows that he used the Judeo-Christian Bible as the basis for his religious beliefs
He asked the questions, “And have we now forgotten this powerful friend? Or do we imagine we no longer need His assistance?” Mr. Franklin was aware of the tendency of man to forget God and think that we no longer need His assistance.
America is presently in the midst of serious political, social, moral and political trouble. The situation appears to be so grave that the American people need to once again ask ourselves: “Have we now forgotten this powerful friend? Or do we imagine we no longer need His assistance? It is for these reasons that the American Christian Leadership Alliance has adopted the “Appeal to Heaven” symbol and slogan for the next civil rights movement.

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Originally Posted by Robert_White
Originally Posted by bigsqueeze
Originally Posted by Robert_White
Your rudeness is only exceeded by your self imposed ignorance.

The American first covenant, made with God and good men begins with an appeal to the "laws of nature and nature's God."

This public fervent and enthusiastic endorsement of Sodomy is a public denial of the Declaration and a public insult to God and a denial of the Founding Fathers.

You are a very uninformed man. I suggest you set aside your baseless arrogance and go read Blackstone.

.................Let me tell u something pal......I know more about the US Constitution and laws therein than you ever could conceive. My self imposed ignorance? What a laugh and a joke you are!...

And what does Christianity have to do with your original post? I still do not read from you any specific violations of the Constitution as it relates to the POTUS and his foreign policy, whereby as well, you are calling for the resignation of VP Pence....

My rudeness? GOOD! That means that you are offended.......AAAAAAAAAH!!!!

Now cite some Constitutional laws and statues whereby YOU can justify a Pence resignation....Nevermind what emotional, opinionated blather and bloviating that your damned liberal news sources happen to BURP UP...

Pretend you are now in a court of law and PROVE your CASE!!!.............Otherwise???????


I took you to the highest court of all, the laws of nature and nature's God, but you refused to hear.
Our founding fathers resorted to this court in the Declaration.
You refuse to acknowledge these facts.
Our very nation was born in "An appeal to heaven and the contest of arms"

Quite frankly I am shocked at the total brain dead brainwashing I see displayed here in blind devotion to Trump.
Haven't any of you studied the Declaration? Locke? Sam Adams? Patrick Henry? The 2nd Treatise or the relationship of Britain's struggles against tyrants? Lex Rex? Algernon Sydney?

............................I am very schooled on the Bible as well.....BUT BUT BUT!. Your issues with Trump or Pence are of moral ones. Let them be held accountable by God rather than man.

It is not a blind devotion I have for Trump. His policies and priorities put AMERICA FIRST. No POTUS in all of American history has accomplished so much in such a short period of time. EVERY indicator SAYS SO!

If you wish to chastise Trump and Pence for any moral shortcomings then all well and good. However any resignations by Pence, Trump or any one else within the federal govt must follow certain proceedures or a process for that kind of outcome......Innocence before being proved guilty happens to be one of them.


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Cool, the Bobby and Jimmy show.. (That's Robert and James for those of you in Flint, MI.).

The founders found wisdom in the writings and principles of the ancient Greek as well, and the Greeks were also some of the most notorious turd burglers of their time, your argument is lacking.


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Here is my gripe...

Celebrating sodomy strikes at the very heart of our laws, as defined by Blackstone Jefferson etc.
We lose absolutely everything our nation was built upon.


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