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If you look at abortion alone, your normative ethics fail. Abortion is a product of your normative ethics. Plenty of white ‘christians’ killing babies......... Speaking of white ‘christians’ killing babies, consider the millions, if not billions, of pregnancies that never reached full term despite every human effort to prevent the spontaneous abortion. How is that not God killing fetuses? Considering the numbers, God must be the greatest abortionist. 80% of Americans claim to be Christian, but according to Gallop, 80% of Americans support abortion, that number includes a lot of Christians.
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awwwwww, fer Pete's sake! I wonder how zero abortions since 1973 would have affected the demographic of America?
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Back 14 pages to the original theme of this thread.
It's *really* not about homosexuals except for the fact that Trump felt the need to virtue signal to homosexuals by giving a homosexual a position in his administration.
Trump's base didn't elect him so he could kiss homo ass.
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When discussions of morals and ethics become circular all one has to do to arrive at the best solution is: "Do Unto Others As You Would Have Them Do Unto You." I have yet to encounter an ethical or moral dilemma to which this simple thing is not the best answer. It's easy to remember too. When others do unto you in a manner you deem inappropriate SMITE THEM  mike r
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Stab them in the taint, you can't put a tourniquet on that.
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When discussions of morals and ethics become circular all one has to do to arrive at the best solution is: "Do Unto Others As You Would Have Them Do Unto You." I have yet to encounter an ethical or moral dilemma to which this simple thing is not the best answer. It's easy to remember too. When others do unto you in a manner you deem inappropriate SMITE THEM mike r Go take a long walk in the desert without a compass.
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Normative ethics is a huge subject including a couple dozen sub-categories. Additionally, I'm not certain any fully formed moral system can be completely prescriptive. Drug lords tend to act as government themselves, so I'd begin with Drug lords and Dictators a good guide line for all in government: '"Do not impose on others what you do not wish for yourself." (borrowed from Kant).
A “fully formed moral system” couldn’t be completely prescriptive. The nuance of ethical dilemma, conflict between individual rights and obligations, and justly competing interests make for a terrain ever shifting under foot. This is the territory.
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Normative ethics is a huge subject including a couple dozen sub-categories. Additionally, I'm not certain any fully formed moral system can be completely prescriptive. Drug lords tend to act as government themselves, so I'd begin with Drug lords and Dictators a good guide line for all in government: '"Do not impose on others what you do not wish for yourself." (borrowed from Kant).
A “fully formed moral system” couldn’t be completely prescriptive. The nuance of ethical dilemma, conflict between individual rights and obligations, and justly competing interests make for a terrain ever shifting under foot. This is the territory. ,...some serious bullshit gettin' talked here. Somebody's been ta colletch!
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Merry Christmas Tyrone.
The Christmas Truce is in effect.
We can pick this up on the 26th.
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When discussions of morals and ethics become circular all one has to do to arrive at the best solution is: "Do Unto Others As You Would Have Them Do Unto You." I have yet to encounter an ethical or moral dilemma to which this simple thing is not the best answer. It's easy to remember too. When others do unto you in a manner you deem inappropriate SMITE THEM Thank goodness you aren't in law enforcement! The drug addict wants to do drugs. The human trafficker wants to traffic. The porn consumer wants the trafficker to keep trafficking. Your normative ethics are what have turned CA into a [bleep] with homelessness. "Oh, we can't make people live indoors & use plumbing if they don't want to." "Treat them how you'd want to be treated." "Who are we to judge?" Your normative ethics tells the mother of a drug addict "Sorry, but your child decided to OD of their own free will. I, as society, should not interfere". You guys are as creepy than the pure Darwinists.
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Tyrone, merry Christmas, your use of the term normative ethics is so obviously misapplied as to make you appear deranged. Apparently you couldn't restrain your self from exploding into your diatribe long enough to read the last line of my post. I will add that I was in LE and smote a few w/ great vigor. Briscoe, merry Christmas, I will wander the desert w/ out a compass tomorrow....you truly are an oracle. I use terrain association to navigate so I probably won' t need a compass. Bless you for your concern and I hope your hangover is not too crippling. Merry Christmas to all. mike r
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When discussions of morals and ethics become circular all one has to do to arrive at the best solution is: "Do Unto Others As You Would Have Them Do Unto You." I have yet to encounter an ethical or moral dilemma to which this simple thing is not the best answer. It's easy to remember too. When others do unto you in a manner you deem inappropriate SMITE THEM Thank goodness you aren't in law enforcement! The drug addict wants to do drugs. The human trafficker wants to traffic. The porn consumer wants the trafficker to keep trafficking. Your normative ethics are what have turned CA into a [bleep] with homelessness. "Oh, we can't make people live indoors & use plumbing if they don't want to." "Treat them how you'd want to be treated." "Who are we to judge?" Your normative ethics tells the mother of a drug addict "Sorry, but your child decided to OD of their own free will. I, as society, should not interfere". You guys are as creepy than the pure Darwinists. What California practices is not consistent with my version of Normative Ethics.
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What California practices is not consistent with my version of Normative Ethics. That's the problem with normative ethics - it's solely based on your opinion, there is no authority. It's pure libertinism.
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Tyrone, merry Christmas, your use of the term normative ethics is so obviously misapplied as to make you appear deranged. Apparently you couldn't restrain your self from exploding into your diatribe long enough to read the last line of my post. I will add that I was in LE and smote a few w/ great vigor. So, we should smite the homeless or not? Drug addicts? Dealers? Pornographers? If I was a pornographer, would I want you to smite me? Who's the authority on this?
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Tyrone, merry Christmas, your use of the term normative ethics is so obviously misapplied as to make you appear deranged. Apparently you couldn't restrain your self from exploding into your diatribe long enough to read the last line of my post. I will add that I was in LE and smote a few w/ great vigor. So, we should smite the homeless or not? Drug addicts? Dealers? Pornographers? If I was a pornographer, would I want you to smite me? Who's the authority on this? Apparently you are? mike r
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Tyrone, merry Christmas, your use of the term normative ethics is so obviously misapplied as to make you appear deranged. Apparently you couldn't restrain your self from exploding into your diatribe long enough to read the last line of my post. I will add that I was in LE and smote a few w/ great vigor. So, we should smite the homeless or not? Drug addicts? Dealers? Pornographers? If I was a pornographer, would I want you to smite me? Who's the authority on this? Apparently you are? mike r Game. Set. Match.
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So what happened to Robert White, the bigot who started all this mess. I guess he gave up trying to convince us that the Constitution means what he wants it to mean, or what some obscure philosopher nobody ever heard of thinks, instead of meaning what it actually says. Robert White, you have lost this debate.
Don't blame me. I voted for Trump.
Democrats would burn this country to the ground, if they could rule over the ashes.
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What California practices is not consistent with my version of Normative Ethics. That's the problem with normative ethics - it's solely based on your opinion, there is no authority. It's pure liberalism. Tyrone, You have the same problem with Christianity. There's over 30,000 sects, each with their own moral teachings. Let me remind you, Nancy Pelosi's a Catholic. Most Christians let their women speak in church, and don't require them to cover their hair. Christians can't even agree on Homosexuality. As for the homeless problem in SF, you are more than capable of explaining why it's wrong, and potential improvements without ever once referencing God or the Bible, and you would actually be on more solid moral grounds.
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So what happened to Robert White, the bigot who started all this mess. I guess he gave up trying to convince us that the Constitution means what he wants it to mean, or what some obscure philosopher nobody ever heard of thinks, instead of meaning what it actually says. Robert White, you have lost this debate. This was his last post on The Fire: I just skimmed through this thread.
Jesus, what a chit show. Moral coward. Blasphemer. Declining someone a moral coward and blasphemer for disagreeing with him.
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Tyrone, merry Christmas, your use of the term normative ethics is so obviously misapplied as to make you appear deranged. Apparently you couldn't restrain your self from exploding into your diatribe long enough to read the last line of my post. I will add that I was in LE and smote a few w/ great vigor. So, we should smite the homeless or not? Drug addicts? Dealers? Pornographers? If I was a pornographer, would I want you to smite me? Who's the authority on this? Apparently you are? mike r Game. Set. Match. But not for the reason you think it is.
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Tyrone, merry Christmas, your use of the term normative ethics is so obviously misapplied as to make you appear deranged. Apparently you couldn't restrain your self from exploding into your diatribe long enough to read the last line of my post. I will add that I was in LE and smote a few w/ great vigor. So, we should smite the homeless or not? Drug addicts? Dealers? Pornographers? If I was a pornographer, would I want you to smite me? Who's the authority on this? I find it interesting how you like to pretend there are no responsibilities in normative ethics, and how reciprocity and fairness includes both positive and negative actions.
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