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In the 708, or similar case size (7X57, etc)
I use one bullet, a 160 generally.
never had a problem with a 160 grain bullet from a 7mm anything.
Some people I know have , so I loaded premium bullets for them and the results were the same.
others had no problem with the same stuff.
Put the danged bullet where it is supposed to go, and the critter is going down in jig time.
Gut shoot him with ANYTHING and he is running away.
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scopes are cool, but slings 'n' irons RULE!
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"Put the danged bullet where it is supposed to go, and the critter is going down in jig time.
Gut shoot him with ANYTHING and he is running away."
I keep hearing that like it means something important, hmmm, wonder why? (grinning big time).
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Lots of elk have been killed with whatever gun the locals carry in their trucks, from .243 and .30-30 up, including SKS. That only proves that people don't have good judgement.
My standards apply to all BIG game, from mountain goat up to the dangerous stuff. Elk fall into that category. A .270 with 150-gr bullets is at the bottom end, and the only circumstance in which I would use it is in a light rifle or Mannlicher for bear, sheep or goats inside its power limit of 300 yards. For other game, I have .30-06s, 8x57s, .375s, .444s, and I don't get my kicks by taking marginal shots with marginal equipment.
ruraldoc, if you want to compete, you should try out for a US Shooting Team. Don't play with animals and underpowered rifles. I better hurry up and send my father an email of this bullshit. I have only been watching him plant elk for thirty years with a .270 using smaller bool-its than those mentioned above. He needs to be warned that those elk should not have hit the ground.
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So bottom line here, no camoflage bs answer just answer these 5 questions. If you can't answer these 5 questions in a direct manner then I'd suggest you hold your opinions until you've earned the right to make such judgements.
*when did you hunt elk
*how often have you hunted elk
*where did you hunt elk
*what have you taken elk with
*how many elk have you taken
Thx for your time and I do hope that you take the time to answer these 5 simple and direct questions.
Mark D Mark, I guess you are focusing on one elk dead to take the focus off your inability to describe the criteria for an elk bullet. Lee, You are, without a doubt, the all-time master at avoiding direct answers to direct questions. John
If my people, who are called by my name, will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven, and I will forgive their sin and will heal their land. 2 Chronicles 7:14
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Hey, the thought just hit me......maybe Lee24 is really Hillary clinton.
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So bottom line here, no camoflage bs answer just answer these 5 questions. If you can't answer these 5 questions in a direct manner then I'd suggest you hold your opinions until you've earned the right to make such judgements.
*when did you hunt elk
*how often have you hunted elk
*where did you hunt elk
*what have you taken elk with
*how many elk have you taken
Thx for your time and I do hope that you take the time to answer these 5 simple and direct questions.
Mark D Mark, I guess you are focusing on one elk dead to take the focus off your inability to describe the criteria for an elk bullet. Lee, You are, without a doubt, the all-time master at avoiding direct answers to direct questions. John He is good at it....you have to give him that. I even made it where he didn't have to type complete sentences and could just fill in the blanks......but he still somehow swerved.
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I find it hysterical that he dismisses everyone else's opinions because they "have not shot an Elk with a 7/08 and 120 TSX" yet uses the opions of guys like Bodington and Spoomer like they are fact. I wonder if either of those guys have ever "shot and Elk with a 7/08 and 120 TSX"... if not, then we don't need them in this discussion either. I don't know if Lee24 is Hillary... but he's definately a female democrat. Who else would use only the information they saw fit, distort the opinions of so called experts, provide false credentials, dance around direct questions, have NO EXPERIENCE with the issue at hand, and fail to admit when they've been busted? I think he'll have to change his name to: HillaLee24.
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Spomer references the traditional wisdom, (1500FPE for elk) and then says that he believes a lower standard than that is appropriate today. The latest from Boddington when contrasted with his 2005 quote, (had a feeling that would come up  ) also shows a change in opinion in response to new information and experience. He could have stayed with the 2005 opinion forever but he apparently approached the subject with an open mind, even after many years of experience. Lesson there..... So Lee, since the experts you cite are in reality leading the transition to new thinking regarding acceptable minimums for big game, would you at least concede that those at the campfire who are following that lead are not being "unethical, performing stunts, proving their manhood", etc., even if you choose not to proceed that direction yourself?
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Actually, Boddington and those other writers used lighter rifles like the .270 Win in their younger days, but now only have confidence in .30-06 and 180 grains minimum. They matured and changed their minds as they gained experience.
For me a 500 yard shot is not hunting. Too easy for a good shot, just a Hail Mary for most "hunters". Takes all the fun out of stalking. That's for varmints and culling too many deer or wild hogs out of a crow crop.
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Dude, you don't hunt or can't/won't prove it.
Put up, or shut up.
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Actually Lee, once again you are bass ackwards. Boddington only recently discovered how useful and effective the 270 is on elk. Up until then he had only recommended medium bore magnums.
Try again, Einstein...................
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Actually, Boddington and those other writers used lighter rifles like the .270 Win in their younger days, but now only have confidence in .30-06 and 180 grains minimum. They matured and changed their minds as they gained experience.
For spending all your time quoting what the gun writers have done, I'd think you'd at least get your poop in a group. Boddington used the '06 in his "younger days" on his first African safari----a tang safety M77 that was later stolen. He dumped that 400yd elk with a .270 (150 NP) just a few years back at the Whittington Center, and it was the first elk he'd ever shot with a .270Win IIRC. And while I'll concede that they have "changed their minds as the gained experience," (as all thinking individuals SHOULD do) they're not trending in the direction you're eluding to. And more to the point, as gun writers, they're forced to try new products, such as rifles and optics, powders and bullets, so that they've got something to write about. Everyone knows what to expect from products that have been around forever, so they want to read about the newest stuff on the market. Just because one of your gun writer heros goes on a hunt with a .338 RUM and then writes an article about how dead it killed everyting, doesn't mean that they'd really chose that cartridge if they had the chance to go on an "off the books" hunt for fun. Go kill something, gain some experience, and take a photo....
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Actually, Boddington and those other writers used lighter rifles like the .270 Win in their younger days, but now only have confidence in .30-06 and 180 grains minimum. They matured and changed their minds as they gained experience. You are 100% wrong about that, and you know it. You'd rather feel right than deal with reality. No wonder you get piled on around here......
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