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Best four season bag out there. Good to below zero and less than 600 clams if you can...
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Best four season bag out there. Good to below zero and less than 600 clams if you can... What's your height, weight, and chest girth? Down or synthetic? Where is the intended use (mostly)? Aside, there is no "best"...
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Agree with Brad 100%. If I had to buy one for myself today for under $600, probably Valandre Shocking Blue.
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If you are "new" to below zero "camping"...better study up, first.
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Agree with Brad 100%. If I had to buy one for myself today for under $600, probably Valandre Shocking Blue. +1 on the Valandre Shocking Blue.
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For $720ish (retail $799.99), looks like a great bag for weight of 3+lbs (normal sized climbers, not little guys) and "comfort rating" of 12F to -3F...
A little spendy and a little heavy for its range.
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Many bag makers use the European rating system. With it a 0 degree bag doesn't keep you warm & comfy at 0. It keeps you alive at 0. Be sure of what system they use.
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Shocking Blue regular size is $600 at EverestGear. I've pushed it's lighter brother, the Mirage, to single digits and got sleep. The design is good to go. Different cut than WM though, by a lot, it's not for everyone. Slim footbox through the legs, wider at midsection. Best for sleeping on back.
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Shocking Blue regular size is $600 at EverestGear. I've pushed it's lighter brother, the Mirage, to single digits and got sleep. The design is good to go. Different cut than WM though, by a lot, it's not for everyone. Slim footbox through the legs, wider at midsection. Best for sleeping on back. I’ve taken a Shocking Blue down to -10F with a good pad and some minimal layering.
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Shocking Blue regular size is $600 at EverestGear. I've pushed it's lighter brother, the Mirage, to single digits and got sleep. The design is good to go. Different cut than WM though, by a lot, it's not for everyone. Slim footbox through the legs, wider at midsection. Best for sleeping on back. Probably a great bag. The characteristics you noted are not ideal for many. Marmot suits me better for a lower price and weight. Everest Gear has a great selection of ice tools. Most of their other gear is higher priced than what is available.
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Marmot bags, while good are not in the same category as Valendre’, Western Mountaineering, or Feathered Friends.
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I'd say a "great selection" of ice tools would consist of more than Stubai and Grivel, but whatever.
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Best four season bag out there. Good to below zero and less than 600 clams if you can... What's your height, weight, and chest girth? Down or synthetic? Where is the intended use (mostly)? Aside, there is no "best"... Seems like Brad nailed it pretty nicely on first reply.
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Anyone tried a Feathered Friends Lark (or a Raven) 10 UL Sleeping Bag?
The last couple CO 1st rifle seasons have been cold
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Feathered Friends, Western Mountaineering, and Valandre are all high end bags and it all boils down to personal preference. Of the three I believe Valandre's quality of construction is the best....but it's not my favorite (WM). Valandre is geared towards climbers so they are wide through the torso while narrower in the hips and footbox (so not as efficient)....and the exterior fabric is durable as a result of its target users. That said, I used a Valandre Mirage for many years for three season trips in the Sierra and was very happy with it. I only replaced it as since I've become older, I tend to sleep colder and debated between WM and FF and went with the former.
PRM: Feathered Friends tend to be conservatively rated so either bag would work....though you could always have them add overfill when placing the order. Additionally, I'd look at their other fabric choices vs the UL as one might be better suited for colder climates where condensation might be an issue.
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Since this is the backpacking forum, have you considered a quilt? Some guys don't like them for real cold weather but I've slept in mine as low as 5 without any problems. The trick is to get one as wide as possible.
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I've noticed that the "rated" temps on bags, only means what you should be able to survive in. Not be comfortable in. Haven't tried these but, there has been some good reviews from people I know that have. https://www.wiggys.com/by-temperature-rating/
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Marmot bags, while good are not in the same category as Valendre’, Western Mountaineering, or Feathered Friends. Yeah, they are less expensive, lighter and warmer.
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I'd say a "great selection" of ice tools would consist of more than Stubai and Grivel, but whatever. True...didn't see any Black Diamond or Petzl. Like firearms, one can shoot anything handed to them...if the shooter CAN shoot well. Same with ice tools, screws, pickets, belay devices,etc. ad infinitum. I see "snowy" in your name...how are you on water ice, alpine ice?
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