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Originally Posted by smokepole


While we're on the subject of each others' workouts, tell me about the 02 trainer, what benefits do you get from that?


If you're referring to the asphyxiation masks, absolutely nothing.

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The O2 is not a mask. I've read that there are some benefits, but not as great as the purveyors would have you believe. Never tried one myself so I can't say.



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I see. Haven't heard of them I suppose. Living at altitude I need all the oxygen I can inhale.

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Originally Posted by smokepole
No worries MCH. So, how does the O2 trainer work? Does it strengthen the muscles you use for breathing?


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MCH - the O2 trainer is different than what I was thinking about. I'm going to look into that further since I already have restricted airflow maybe it'll help maximize what I can do.


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Here's a classic jeff-workout.... grin. Spent about 3 hours under the house fixing a major drain line issue. And a couple more laying on the floor or kneeling and snaking the [bleep]. Good times. I was actually getting cramps in my abs under there, which was funny, because I've been doing crunches at night. Crawling uses everything, as far as I can tell from the aftermath. Pretty tired.

Got a bad cold so that about did me in for the day. And haven't been walking or riding. I think that cold-air "asthma" I had on the one recent ride was this cold coming on. It started in my upper lungs. Tight as a vise.


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Originally Posted by Scott
MCH - the O2 trainer is different than what I was thinking about. I'm going to look into that further since I already have restricted airflow maybe it'll help maximize what I can do.



Here's some interesting information.

https://www.foxnews.com/health/can-elevation-training-masks-improve-your-endurance



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Even if it works, you only get a couple weeks of increased oxygen efficiency if one stops using the masks.

Elevation training works because it elevates hemoglobin, red blood cells and erythropoietin and reduces plasma volume. It is a psychological adaptation process that doesn't happen with 30minutes a day and then returning to sea level for the rest of the day. There are certain health conditions where increasing those four markers are not in the best interests in that they cause the blood to be thicker.

Should be relatively easy to prove the masks improve performance by testing for the above markers. Tho O2 trainer says it also improves the elasticity of internal lung tissue. Can 30-45 minutes of low oxygen exercise improve lung function above that of a normal exercise program? And if so, is the difference significant and long term?

Seen a few with the masks at the gym, all of them young male athletes. Have yet to see one keep using them over a long period of time.

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Originally Posted by smokepole
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MCH - the O2 trainer is different than what I was thinking about. I'm going to look into that further since I already have restricted airflow maybe it'll help maximize what I can do.



Here's some interesting information.

https://www.foxnews.com/health/can-elevation-training-masks-improve-your-endurance


The O2 trainer is not a altitude mask. You are confusing the two. The purpose of the O2 trainer has nothing to do with altitude training. It trains you Alveoli, and as the article you post said of course there is a limit to what can be achieved. Much like everything else! Lot's of people talk but few with any real world experience with the O2 trainer. Is it magic? Hell NO. Does it work? Yes it has for me.


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I know the O2 trainer is not a mask, I said as much a few posts back. And none of these devices have anything to do with altitude training, regardless of the claims by their purveyors.

The "O2 trainer" works on the same principle as masks, they all restrict your air intake and make it harder to breathe. Not your O2 intake. It ain't rocket science. I couldn't find anything on-line about the O2 trainer specifically, other than promotional videos done by its maker. I tend not to trust those.

The only objective info. is a few studies, the most recent I could find in 2016. It's cited in the fox news piece, which is IMO a good critique on all similar devices.




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Originally Posted by smokepole
I know the O2 trainer is not a mask, I said as much a few posts back. And none of these devices have anything to do with altitude training, regardless of the claims by their purveyors.

The "O2 trainer" works on the same principle as masks, they all restrict your air intake and make it harder to breathe. Not your O2 intake. It ain't rocket science. I couldn't find anything on-line about the O2 trainer specifically, other than promotional videos done by its maker. I tend not to trust those.

The only objective info. is a few studies, the most recent I could find in 2016. It's cited in the fox news piece, which is IMO a good critique on all similar devices.



My response was to Scott. I just took your post as well because it did have the article about the typic.


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MCH - the O2 trainer is different than what I was thinking about. I'm going to look into that further since I already have restricted airflow maybe it'll help maximize what I can do.



Here's some interesting information.

https://www.foxnews.com/health/can-elevation-training-masks-improve-your-endurance


The O2 trainer is not a altitude mask. You are confusing the two. The purpose of the O2 trainer has nothing to do with altitude training. It trains you Alveoli, and as the article you post said of course there is a limit to what can be achieved. Much like everything else! Lot's of people talk but few with any real world experience with the O2 trainer. Is it magic? Hell NO. Does it work? Yes it has for me.


Yep, the altitude mask is what I was thinking about. Back when I was on triathlon forums there was a lot of discussion about those and the limited usefulness based on what Battue described. Haven't had time to research the O2 trainer yet.


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We were supposed to do one more night at a Forest Service cabin, but by the time we hit the second trailhead we were close to four -five hours behind and near dark, so we hoofed it back down the road to the original trailhead and called it good- hit the York bar for burgers and beer a couple hours after dark smile

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