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Josh, 8 twist it will be, barrel contour would be ideal at .600 ish at 27-28 inches, may imbalance the little Edge stock a bit but that's okay, I routinely carry 16 lb bull barrel Sharps rifles in 45-110 and 50-90, I'm used to hand sliding a rifle to find a carry point ; ] Who's Shaen?
iddave, those look pretty good and bring a 25-06 or AI'd version into the mix, I do have a set of Redding 25-06 AI dies.
CRS, 10-4 on the PRC, I didn't realize it had been a factory offering, more research to do, taking into account a little more 'Smith work to get it running smooth.
one horn, I've always enjoyed the k.i.s.s. solution when available, that, and the action I have to work with is standard long, makes the 6.5-06 a strong contender still.
LOL 7mmMato, a few of us here are thinking alike.
peeshooter, I've always thought about the 6.5x47 Lapua or the 284 version for the cool factor and impossible to top [that I've worked with] Lapua brass, Thank You.
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I built my 6.5-284 on pre-64 with 26” Krieger, long before the PRC round came out. I like the 6.5-284 and Lapua brass. If building today, I’d look at the PRC, not sure which round would win out. Both are good. And 8 twist is where it’s at, at least for me. I shoot mostly 140 Hunting VLD’s to good effect.
If I was less of a Loony, it may get more hunting time. Right now, I’m on a ladder stand with my Hart/Hunters Edge 7-08, shooting 140 SGK HPBT with which I killed a 120# fat doe at last light yesterday.
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Avoid the 6.5-284 and 284 on a model 70 CRF action. You will be disappointed with the feeding unless your gunsmith is willing to put a bunch of time working on the feed ramps, etc. I’d go 6.5-06, it’s simple and matches the ballistics of the 6.5x284 without all the hassle.
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A couple nice build no doubt DF, loony, such a small word that takes so much time and is so expensive. Sakohunter264, that's making more sense as this progresses, I like simple, AND effective, and iirc, Lapua makes '06 brass too.
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Avoid the 6.5-284 and 284 on a model 70 CRF action. You will be disappointed with the feeding unless your gunsmith is willing to put a bunch of time working on the feed ramps, etc. I’d go 6.5-06, it’s simple and matches the ballistics of the 6.5x284 without all the hassle. A good smith can make it slick. You’re right about a 6.5-06 being easier, but my pre-64 6.5-284 feeds as slick as any rifle I have. And I have some good’uns. Milling the follower spine narrower is one thing he did to accommodate the fatter round. I’m sure he polished the rails. It takes some tweaking. DF
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147 ELD, .7 bc, but 50 fps slower in 6.5 PRC than the 6.5 rem. saum, wonder what a necked 7mm WSM to 6.5 would run? and would any keep up with the old 6.5-06?
Six five '06 ready to run out of the gate, no bolt/rail/follower work, Lapua brass available, need to check ballistics on 6.5-06.
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147 ELD, .7 bc, but 50 fps slower in 6.5 PRC than the 6.5 rem. saum, wonder what a necked 7mm WSM to 6.5 would run? and would any keep up with the old 6.5-06?
Six five '06 ready to run out of the gate, no bolt/rail/follower work, Lapua brass available, need to check ballistics on 6.5-06. 6.5-06 about the same as 6.5-284, mine pushes a 140 VLD at 3K fps over max load of RL-17, 48.5, IIRC. Check that to make sure or PM me later. Looking over a food plot, not near my data. DF
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I assume the rifle is a LA?
I'd go 6.5x55 and use the excellent Lapua brass.
Plenty of magazine room for long, pointy bullets, and none of the feeding issues of the 284 case.
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I assume the rifle is a LA?
I'd go 6.5x55 and use the excellent Lapua brass.
Plenty of magazine room for long, pointy bullets, and none of the feeding issues of the 284 case. I have one of those, too, on a 98 FN action. Great old round Not quite as fast but does get the job done. 284 feeding issues aren’t really issues in the right hands. But ‘06 and Swede are easier. DF
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When I do another long action cartridge, it will likely be a .270, twisted to spin these: https://bergerbullets.com/product/270-caliber-170-grain-extreme-outer-limits-eol-elite-hunter/I know it sounds odd but I have my reasons: -If I need it, factory .270 ammo is available anywhere. -More .277 high BC VLD type bullets are starting to show up. With bullets similar to the Berger linked above it will hang with pretty much anything out there. Someone on this forum often voices the astute observation that “bullets matter more than headstamps.” -I have more DRT kills with a .270 than any other cartridge. Probably just luck of the draw when compared to other cartridges but it inspires much confidence. -Finally, similarly to the 6.5 Creedmoor, I’d do it just to irritate all the haters. 😂😂 John
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If the PRC is going to have feeding issues... 6.5-06 would be the way to go. I love the sentimental Swede, but I do not think it has enough horsepower for you. That is why I suggested 6.5x55 AI at first. I was going to take a new to me Swede to the range this morning, but the wind was howling when I got up. Will probably end up perusing some gun/pawn shops instead. A looney's work is never done.
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When I do another long action cartridge, it will likely be a .270, twisted to spin these: https://bergerbullets.com/product/270-caliber-170-grain-extreme-outer-limits-eol-elite-hunter/I know it sounds odd bu I have my reasons: -If I need it, factory .270 ammo is available anywhere. -More .277 high BC VLD type bullets are starting to show up. With bullets similar to the Berger linked above it will hang with pretty much anything out there. Someone on this forum often voices the astute observation that “bullets matter more than headstamps.” -I have more DRT kills with a .270 than any other cartridge. Probably just luck of the draw when compared to other cartridges but it inspires much confidence. -Finally, similarly to the 6.5 Creedmoor, I’d do it just to irritate all the haters. 😂😂 John Now you are talking! My next build is going to be exactly that. Problem is, I have two 338-06's and a 416 Remington in the works right now. To heck with the 270 detractors.
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When I do another long action cartridge, it will likely be a .270, twisted to spin these: https://bergerbullets.com/product/270-caliber-170-grain-extreme-outer-limits-eol-elite-hunter/I know it sounds odd bu I have my reasons: -If I need it, factory .270 ammo is available anywhere. -More .277 high BC VLD type bullets are starting to show up. With bullets similar to the Berger linked above it will hang with pretty much anything out there. Someone on this forum often voices the astute observation that “bullets matter more than headstamps.” -I have more DRT kills with a .270 than any other cartridge. Probably just luck of the draw when compared to other cartridges but it inspires much confidence. -Finally, similarly to the 6.5 Creedmoor, I’d do it just to irritate all the haters. 😂😂 John Now you are talking! My next build is going to be exactly that. Problem is, I have two 338-06's and a 416 Remington in the works right now. To heck with the 270 detractors. Just getting started with the 338-06, liking it so far. Loading for bud’s .416 Rem. Loaded him some “rabbit loads” with 350 Speer at 2,200 fps. Will work up to full house cape buff stuff later. DF
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My 416 is a never fired Model 70 classic. Took it to the smith to get it detailed. Dakota Arms open sights, a good solid bedding job, smooth out the trigger and 3 position safety. Will give the bore a DBC treatment before shooting.
Just picked up a bunch of 350gr Speers to start. Then the serious development will begin with 350gr Barnes TSX or TTSX. Once I get the load dialed in and open sights filed in, back to the smith for a Cerakote job.
Hoping TAC or H4895 will get me to 2500 plus fps.
Thinking a return to Africa in 2021 or 22.
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When I do another long action cartridge, it will likely be a .270, twisted to spin these: https://bergerbullets.com/product/270-caliber-170-grain-extreme-outer-limits-eol-elite-hunter/I know it sounds odd but I have my reasons: -If I need it, factory .270 ammo is available anywhere. -More .277 high BC VLD type bullets are starting to show up. With bullets similar to the Berger linked above it will hang with pretty much anything out there. Someone on this forum often voices the astute observation that “bullets matter more than headstamps.” -I have more DRT kills with a .270 than any other cartridge. Probably just luck of the draw when compared to other cartridges but it inspires much confidence. -Finally, similarly to the 6.5 Creedmoor, I’d do it just to irritate all the haters. 😂😂 John John, the 270 would be what I'd do, but since it didn't come up by the OP I didn't venture into the red light district of the 270. Hence the 6.5x55 recommendation.
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Go 25 cal and use the 131 gr. bullet it will do every thing you wanted . Cheers NC Just make sure you get it twisted fast enough
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My 416 is a never fired Model 70 classic. Took it to the smith to get it detailed. Dakota Arms open sights, a good solid bedding job, smooth out the trigger and 3 position safety. Will give the bore a DBC treatment before shooting.
Just picked up a bunch of 350gr Speers to start. Then the serious development will begin with 350gr Barnes TSX or TTSX. Once I get the load dialed in and open sights filed in, back to the smith for a Cerakote job.
Hoping TAC or H4895 will get me to 2500 plus fps.
Thinking a return to Africa in 2021 or 22.
Be sure to share your results. I’m interested. Sounds like a really nice rifle you’re putting together. DF
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When I do another long action cartridge, it will likely be a .270, twisted to spin these: https://bergerbullets.com/product/270-caliber-170-grain-extreme-outer-limits-eol-elite-hunter/I know it sounds odd but I have my reasons: -If I need it, factory .270 ammo is available anywhere. -More .277 high BC VLD type bullets are starting to show up. With bullets similar to the Berger linked above it will hang with pretty much anything out there. Someone on this forum often voices the astute observation that “bullets matter more than headstamps.” -I have more DRT kills with a .270 than any other cartridge. Probably just luck of the draw when compared to other cartridges but it inspires much confidence. -Finally, similarly to the 6.5 Creedmoor, I’d do it just to irritate all the haters. 😂😂 John John, the 270 would be what I'd do, but since it didn't come up by the OP I didn't venture into the red light district of the 270. Hence the 6.5x55 recommendation. On a Model 70, me three. A fast twist 270 would be fun. Tweak some noses too.
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