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Every day is a day of merciful grace, as God patiently waits for the wicked to repent.
By grace enabling repent before it is too late.
Done in Convention by the Unanimous Consent of the States present the Seventeenth Day of September in the Year of our Lord one thousand seven hundred and Eighty seven.
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Eph 2:8 For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God—
9 not by works, so that no-one can boast.
She teaches this. Anyone who follows it by having faith in Christs will be saved regardless of other non-scriptural stuff she says.
“In a time of deceit telling the truth is a revolutionary act.”
― George Orwell
It's not over when you lose. It's over when you quit.
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I didnt ask you what she teaches, i am asking how you know for sure that her followers have the required faith.
-Bulletproof and Waterproof don't mean Idiotproof.
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Didnt HE say something about prayer being effective for a righteous man? Is a man who has no faith righteous?
Ecc 10:2
The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but that of a fool to the left.
A Nation which leaves God behind is soon left behind.
"The Lord never asked anyone to be a tax collector, lowyer, or Redskins fan".
I Dindo Nuffin
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How come the Christians were so lazy and just used “god”... all the other religions, for the most part utilize or understand the meaning of the word god, but their gods have names..
I beat your god gets picked on in the heavens by the other named gods...
Zues is probably up there slapping “god” around being he’s the king of gods. “God, the nameless one, let me get this straight... you got a chick pregnant without getting any? You need to go on the Maury Povich show”..
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Didnt HE say something about prayer being effective for a righteous man? Is a man who has no faith righteous? Is a man so filled with hate and rage righteous? Did you pray before your issue with your lungs? I bet in between your wheezing you dont proclaim that to be a miracle do ya?
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The day you can show me a person who lost a limb grew it back is the day I will believe in medical miracles. Until then it’s just luck and or misdiagnosis. You are exaggerating your information base. A scientist is extensively quoted in the book The Case For Miracles. There are lots of documented before and after tests. It comes in an audio version.
"Only Christ is the fullness of God's revelation."
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Praying to Santa has the same statistical outcomes as praying to god, just saying...
Whatever you said...everyone knows you are a lying jerk. That's a bold assertion. Point out where you think I lied. Well?
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“ For my own sake, for my own sake, I do it, for how should my name be profaned? My glory I will not give to another.”
He sounds like a prick to me.. Your opinion of God doesn't rufle Him near as much as you might want it to.
"Only Christ is the fullness of God's revelation."
Everyday Hunter
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We should all read the Book of Job. Those that have not will not understand. Most who do don't understand It.
"Only Christ is the fullness of God's revelation."
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Praying to Santa has the same statistical outcomes as praying to god, just saying... Santa's granted a lot of my wishes, but there was always human help involved, much like praying for a positive medical outcome.
You didn't use logic or reason to get into this opinion, I cannot use logic or reason to get you out of it.
You cannot over estimate the unimportance of nearly everything. John Maxwell
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The efficacy of prayer, if effective, should show up in the statistics...it's easy to dismiss a failure of prayer as weak faith. Again: The Case For Miracles. Check it out.
"Only Christ is the fullness of God's revelation."
Everyday Hunter
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Praying to Santa has the same statistical outcomes as praying to god, just saying... Read The Case For Miracles. It proves this statement false.
"Only Christ is the fullness of God's revelation."
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Praying to Santa has the same statistical outcomes as praying to god, just saying... Read The Case For Miracles. It proves this statement false. Lee Strobel, really?? And in what journal was this peer reviewed by the scientific community?
You didn't use logic or reason to get into this opinion, I cannot use logic or reason to get you out of it.
You cannot over estimate the unimportance of nearly everything. John Maxwell
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Praying to Santa has the same statistical outcomes as praying to god, just saying... Santa's granted a lot of my wishes, but there was always human help involved, much like praying for a positive medical outcome. Where do you suppose the ability of humans to provide medical treatment comes from? Deer can't do that. It was flooding and the old lady home alone just knew Jesus would save her. Water was up to the porch when a high wheeled vehicle came by and offered to take her to safety. She said, "No, Jesus will save me" and prayed all the harder. The water rose to the second floor when a boat came by. Same thing , she refused, hugged her bible, and prayed all the harder. As the water rose she found her way to the roof when a helicopter came by. Again she refused saying, "Jesus will save me!" So she drowned, went to heaven, and met Jesus. She asked, "I prayed and prayed and prayed, why didn't you save me? Jesus said, "Lady, I sent a truck, a boat and a helicopter. What more did you want?" Old joke but no little truth in it. Keep your eyes open.
The key elements in human thinking are not numbers but labels of fuzzy sets. -- L. Zadeh
Which explains a lot.
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Praying to Santa has the same statistical outcomes as praying to god, just saying... Santa's granted a lot of my wishes, but there was always human help involved, much like praying for a positive medical outcome. Where do you suppose the ability of humans to provide medical treatment comes from? Deer can't do that. A large brain and opposable thumbs.
You didn't use logic or reason to get into this opinion, I cannot use logic or reason to get you out of it.
You cannot over estimate the unimportance of nearly everything. John Maxwell
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Where do you suppose the ability of humans to provide medical treatment comes from? Deer can't do that.
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Yeah but deer are stupid. Being able to understand and invent medicine, science etc doesn't mean it has come from a god, but it's able to claim so easily without any justification.
Whatever you said...everyone knows you are a lying jerk. That's a bold assertion. Point out where you think I lied. Well?
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A large brain and opposable thumbs.
No more to it than that? Like a great ape? Or maybe a dolphin sans thumbs. If you're really going to a Jesuit university you must have read Aristotle, Guess he was just woofin' the Sophists.
The key elements in human thinking are not numbers but labels of fuzzy sets. -- L. Zadeh
Which explains a lot.
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“ For my own sake, for my own sake, I do it, for how should my name be profaned? My glory I will not give to another.”
He sounds like a prick to me.. Your opinion of God doesn't rufle Him near as much as you might want it to. It wasn’t god I was aiming for... it was the guys who believe in the easter bunny.
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Yeah but deer are stupid.
Being able to understand and invent medicine, science etc doesn't mean it has come from a god, but it's able to claim so easily without any justification. Where does the aspiration to do such things come from? No other creature on this earth acts altruistically. Doctors Without Borders leaps to mind (for some unfathomable reason) and they aren't in it for the bucks. Anyway, though it's a priori to the question this is straying off topic.
The key elements in human thinking are not numbers but labels of fuzzy sets. -- L. Zadeh
Which explains a lot.
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