Heck, we even see these traits in rats. If you have two rats of unequal size and you pair them against each other in successive wrestling matches, the larger rat will let the small one win about 1/3 of the time, so the small one will be willing to continue the cycle of play. See it's so simple even a rat can do it.
So the bigger rat (instinctively) acts to give himself a preponderance of satisfying consequences, namely more play dominating the smaller rat. Those endorphins from conquest are addictive. Thought you took Ethics. I'm not going to re-argue Plato - been way too long since I read Plato - but why should we seek, say, perfect justice when instinctively we, individually, are better off cheating?
The key elements in human thinking are not numbers but labels of fuzzy sets. -- L. Zadeh
It's because there's nobody listening, Wabi. Or as I said above, god is a cruel bastid.
I pray you will repent so that you will never know just how cruel (just) He can be. Let's say I am wrong. No big deal. I die and cease to exist. Lets say you are wrong. You die and live in eternal misery and agony.
Jim
Pascal's Wager?
Really?
That was only debunked several hundred years ago.
You didn't use logic or reason to get into this opinion, I cannot use logic or reason to get you out of it.
You cannot over estimate the unimportance of nearly everything. John Maxwell
Heck, we even see these traits in rats. If you have two rats of unequal size and you pair them against each other in successive wrestling matches, the larger rat will let the small one win about 1/3 of the time, so the small one will be willing to continue the cycle of play. See it's so simple even a rat can do it.
So the bigger rat (instinctively) acts to give himself a preponderance of satisfying consequences, namely more play dominating the smaller rat. Those endorphins from conquest are addictive. Thought you took Ethics. I'm not going to re-argue Plato - been way too long since I read Plato - but why should we seek, say, perfect justice when instinctively we, individually, are better off cheating?
Because we are not better off cheating.
The single most damaging thing to an economy is corruption.
You need to do a better job examining your presuppositions.
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You didn't use logic or reason to get into this opinion, I cannot use logic or reason to get you out of it.
You cannot over estimate the unimportance of nearly everything. John Maxwell
I know God answers prayers. He is still doing miracles also. I’ve seen both in my son and father’s surgeries. To God be the glory!
How many surgeons? How many combined years of medical training and experience? How many dollars worth of equipment at their disposal?
During my sons very technical lens replacement surgery (@ 11 months old) the Doctor came to tell us after 3-4 hrs and multiple attempts it just wasn’t going to happen. We had a very committed prayer with the doctor, my family and my pastor. The doctor went back in for to try once more. The doctor said the lens slid in like Cinderella’s slipper. My son is now 19yrs old and enjoying near 20/20 eyesight. The doctor still refers to him as the miracle patient.
After my father’s first heart valve replacement surgery the doctors detected infection a couple of days later. His incision was oozing and opening back up. That was on a Wednesday. That evening our church members had a special prayer for his recovery. Around 2am my father sat up in the bed from his sleep. He did not know what woke him. Thursday morning before taking him back for surgery the doctors noticed the infection was gone and there was no need for surgery. He made a full recovery.
Call it what you want. I know it was the Lord placing his healing hand on my family. Prayer works and it’s amazing how many don’t believe in God until they need him.
The single most damaging thing to an economy is corruption.
You need to do a better job examining your presuppositions.
I said individually better off, f--- society.. For example lots of stuff I could have stolen from work with zero chance of getting caught. One job I had relatively free access to accounting records. Fake a few contracts with one conspirator and we'd both get rich. Because I had trusted access a little presto changeo on the computer and we'd both get rich. The books were so screwed up (government) nobody would ever notice.
The key elements in human thinking are not numbers but labels of fuzzy sets. -- L. Zadeh
Ej, if you could have been smart enough to become a teacher for retards, you could have dealt with folks on your level.
Like most christians, your not very christian... or maybe that makes you pretty christian.
Its very confusing to see a man of science, also talk about HE.. but then call someone a retard. The very nature that a doctors brain would be contempt with the belief in religion makes you the retard.
re·tard verb /riˈtärd/ delay or hold back in terms of progress, development, or accomplishment.
Keep praying for that lung to come back... im sure he’ll answer your prayers and you’ll be a spring chicken in no time!
Now go back to your christian ways of spewing your hate grumps...
The strongest part being that there is not a single case of a proven miracle to hold up.
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“When James was born the midwife scooped him up and put him in my hands. But I noticed that his legs and arms dangled down. He wasn’t moving. He wasn’t breathing. He wasn’t crying, he was kind of a blue colour. So I held him for a second and then my midwife took him and she began CPR.”
It was at this point that Bonnie fell into a state shock. Her friend, who was present at the birth, called an ambulance and her husband calmly performed an emergency baptism. At the moment that Travis traced water on his son¹s forehead and baptised him James Fulton, Bonnie’s friend began to pray for the intercession of the newborn¹s namesake.
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By the time the paramedics arrived there was still no pulse. Bonnie spent the 20-minute journey to the hospital in a separate ambulance from her husband and baby, lying alone, unaware if her son was dead or alive.
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Five men eventually emerged with tears in their eyes. “They said to him: ‘Your son is alive’ and Travis understood in that moment that what they were really saying was: ‘He’s alive now but just for right now.’ The fact that they were crying meant that he knew that things were really bad
The miraculous breath had come after 61 excruciating minutes. James had breathed again at the moment doctors gave up their efforts and stopped to record his time of death. ...
Bonnie starts to explain to me the full extent of the miracle. “The way my doctor explained it to me was: ‘It’s amazing that James came back to life and it¹s a miracle that he is doing as well as he is.¹ Because he should have had massive organ failure and then they expected him to be very severely disabled. Then they thought that he would have very severe cerebral palsy. They thought that he would have to be strapped to a wheelchair for the rest of his life, have a feeding tube and probably be blind. They thought that mentally he would not be aware of anything. It was supposed to be pretty grim and that was if he even lived.”
Bonnie was able to bring her baby home after seven weeks in hospital. “As he continued I think they gave us an increasingly better prognosis. So it went from very severely disabled to: ‘OK, so he’s going to have cerebral palsy. We just don¹t know what it will look like.’ But he continued to get better and seemed more and more like a normal baby… I mean, there was always some big question marks for about the first six to 12 months just because he was a baby, so we had to wait for him to hit his milestones to know how complete the miracle was.
“But my husband, and I and family and friends, were all at home interacting with James when he was two and a half months old, when he was five months old, and were sitting there thinking: ‘This kid is normal. He’s like any of our other babies we¹ve seen at this age. This really is a miracle.'”
Well documented, happened in 2010 involving a modern medical facility. Explain that one.
Copied from Catholic Herald but if you Google "sheen miracle" you'll get a buttload of references.
Isolated incidents like that example are not enough to prove the proposition of 'miracles' - things that happen above and beyond natural causation. Unusual events are not miracles, they are simply improbable events, yet events that are within the bounds of possibility. Calling them 'miracles' does not mean they are caused by a supernatural entity.
The single most damaging thing to an economy is corruption.
You need to do a better job examining your presuppositions.
I said individually better off, f--- society.. For example lots of stuff I could have stolen from work with zero chance of getting caught. One job I had relatively free access to accounting records. Fake a few contracts with one conspirator and we'd both get rich. Because I had trusted access a little presto changeo on the computer and we'd both get rich. The books were so screwed up (government) nobody would ever notice.
One of the claims I don't accept on hypothetical moral dilemma is the "You know you won't get caught". It artificially eliminates the risk/reward calculation. Hell might not be real, but prison, especially Federal Prison Time, is a very real thing. Additionally, you would have a co-conspirator, a dishonest co-conspirator, which adds it's own flavor of risk.
How any times can you kill somebody for the money in their pockets? Compare that to the number of times you can trade with someone, with each of you deriving mutual benefit from the transactions?
Cooperation allows division of labor and specialization. This increases everyone's productivity, and lead to more goods and services for everyone. In general ever time you increase the order of magnitude of an economic unit, such as a city, productivity increases 10%. So, on an per person basis, 1000 people are 33% more productive than one person. But if the 1,000 can't trust each other, then that advantage evaporates, and they become 1000 individual islands.
Now extend the above example to include warfare. In general, who's more likely to win. The cohesive society, or the rogue individuals.
Outlaws only have to screw up once for their goose to be cooked. The long arm of the law only has to get him once.
You didn't use logic or reason to get into this opinion, I cannot use logic or reason to get you out of it.
You cannot over estimate the unimportance of nearly everything. John Maxwell
So the bigger rat (instinctively) acts to give himself a preponderance of satisfying consequences, namely more play dominating the smaller rat.
Or the large rat simply applied what was applied to it by larger rats when it was young in order to encourage next gen individuals to remain interactive in a social structure group.
Prob not much different to parents at times letting their child win at chess.
Parents often have to remind the older children to ease off on the younger siblings and give them a chance, rather than always taking the easy oportunity to take advantage and dominate them in various activities.
So the 'altruism' one sees in some kids comes From the training from their parents not from some outside of the natural world God.
-Bulletproof and Waterproof don't mean Idiotproof.
The strongest part being that there is not a single case of a proven miracle to hold up.
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“When James was born the midwife scooped him up and put him in my hands. But I noticed that his legs and arms dangled down. He wasn’t moving. He wasn’t breathing. He wasn’t crying, he was kind of a blue colour. So I held him for a second and then my midwife took him and she began CPR.”
It was at this point that Bonnie fell into a state shock. Her friend, who was present at the birth, called an ambulance and her husband calmly performed an emergency baptism. At the moment that Travis traced water on his son¹s forehead and baptised him James Fulton, Bonnie’s friend began to pray for the intercession of the newborn¹s namesake.
...
By the time the paramedics arrived there was still no pulse. Bonnie spent the 20-minute journey to the hospital in a separate ambulance from her husband and baby, lying alone, unaware if her son was dead or alive.
...
Five men eventually emerged with tears in their eyes. “They said to him: ‘Your son is alive’ and Travis understood in that moment that what they were really saying was: ‘He’s alive now but just for right now.’ The fact that they were crying meant that he knew that things were really bad
The miraculous breath had come after 61 excruciating minutes. James had breathed again at the moment doctors gave up their efforts and stopped to record his time of death. ...
Bonnie starts to explain to me the full extent of the miracle. “The way my doctor explained it to me was: ‘It’s amazing that James came back to life and it¹s a miracle that he is doing as well as he is.¹ Because he should have had massive organ failure and then they expected him to be very severely disabled. Then they thought that he would have very severe cerebral palsy. They thought that he would have to be strapped to a wheelchair for the rest of his life, have a feeding tube and probably be blind. They thought that mentally he would not be aware of anything. It was supposed to be pretty grim and that was if he even lived.”
Bonnie was able to bring her baby home after seven weeks in hospital. “As he continued I think they gave us an increasingly better prognosis. So it went from very severely disabled to: ‘OK, so he’s going to have cerebral palsy. We just don¹t know what it will look like.’ But he continued to get better and seemed more and more like a normal baby… I mean, there was always some big question marks for about the first six to 12 months just because he was a baby, so we had to wait for him to hit his milestones to know how complete the miracle was.
“But my husband, and I and family and friends, were all at home interacting with James when he was two and a half months old, when he was five months old, and were sitting there thinking: ‘This kid is normal. He’s like any of our other babies we¹ve seen at this age. This really is a miracle.'”
Well documented, happened in 2010 involving a modern medical facility. Explain that one.
Copied from Catholic Herald but if you Google "sheen miracle" you'll get a buttload of references.
Hmmm,
When I search the medical journals, I don't find any results.
Claims are made, people testify to this or that according to their own experience and interpretation, but nothing can actually be verified or tested. The church proclaims it a 'miracle'
Isolated incidents like that example are not enough to prove the proposition of 'miracles' - things that happen above and beyond natural causation. Unusual events are not miracles, they are simply improbable events, yet events that are within the bounds of possibility. Calling them 'miracles' does not mean they are caused by a supernatural entity.
Miracles by definition are isolated incidences or they would be naturally caused. Since it is impossible to know everything you can't PROVE a supernatural cause. Take the Wayback machine to medieval times and give a plague victim an antibiotic - it's a miracle. But the case cited (not breathing for 61 minutes, no perceptible cardiac activity, with complete recovery) is so removed from all medical knowledge it's gotta make you think...
The key elements in human thinking are not numbers but labels of fuzzy sets. -- L. Zadeh
Isolated incidents like that example are not enough to prove the proposition of 'miracles' - things that happen above and beyond natural causation. Unusual events are not miracles, they are simply improbable events, yet events that are within the bounds of possibility. Calling them 'miracles' does not mean they are caused by a supernatural entity.
Miracles by definition are isolated incidences or they would be naturally caused. Since it is impossible to know everything you can't PROVE a supernatural cause. Take the Wayback machine to medieval times and give a plague victim an antibiotic - it's a miracle. But the case cited (not breathing for 61 minutes, no perceptible cardiac activity, with complete recovery) is so removed from all medical knowledge it's gotta make you think...
Not as removed as might first appear, after all we are talking about a new born, that just came out of fluid, and we have numerous cases of people submerged in water for long periods of time and suffering no brain damage. We know there are natural mechanism that explain this phenomenon.
You didn't use logic or reason to get into this opinion, I cannot use logic or reason to get you out of it.
You cannot over estimate the unimportance of nearly everything. John Maxwell
We have seen some incredible miracles and they always try to discount them. Jesus was right when he said a person could come back from the dead and they still wouldn't believe. He did and they don't.
“In a time of deceit telling the truth is a revolutionary act.” ― George Orwell
It's not over when you lose. It's over when you quit.
We have seen some incredible miracles and they always try to discount them. Jesus was right when he said a person could come back from the dead and they still wouldn't believe. He did and they don't.
Religious folk that believed Jesus walked on water rose from the dead and was result of a virgin birth,
Also believed the pagan Norse raid on Lindisfarne 973 and the devastating boubonic plague were punishments from their God.... and desperately responded with penitential acts aimed at tempering the Lord's wrath.
-Bulletproof and Waterproof don't mean Idiotproof.
