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That’s why I specifically said Remington 870’s. 3 inch 4buck.

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Originally Posted by MadDog4298
That’s why I specifically said Remington 870’s. 3 inch 4buck.


Sorry, not meant for you in particular. Just trying to add information to the discussion.


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Benelli's full choke patterns #4 buck really well. I have patterned it out quite a ways, and found good pattern density out to 60 yds. 2. 3/4" shells.

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What does good pattern density at 60 yards look like to you?


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I have hunted coyotes with shotguns since the late 70's.

Ithaca 10ga auto mags using 2 1/4 oz of Copper plate buffered BB and 54 Pellets of #4 Buck, both federal
Ithaca 12ga model 37-HURTS
Rem 870 with extra full choke-HURTS
Rem 1100 with extra full choke- ok
Rem 1187 with extra full choke-ok
Benelli Super black eagle-extra full choke-kicks like a pump-OUCH

Beretta 390-lighter recoil than 1100 & 1187
Beretta 391 with kick off recoil pad(shock absorber)-extra full choke-the mack daddy of all shotguns I own for reducing recoil and great patterns
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Federal Premium 3" #4 buck I rate as #1 in patterns, copper plated buffered extra hard shot
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Got a Basspro or Cabela's nearby? You can have it ship to store for free. Get the 4 buck 3 inch load. https://www.basspro.com/shop/en/federal-premium-vital-shok-buckshot-shotshells

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Originally Posted by MOGC
What does good pattern density at 60 yards mean to you?

27 pellets in a shell. An 8" spray painted dot on a large plastic garbage bag 60 yds. 6 or 7 pellets in the dot with 10 or 12 more pellets in a 20" -24" circle around the painted dot. 8 to 1 0 pellets outside that. 15 pellets in a 20" circle will get your coyote. Have shot this several times, and this has been the rough average.

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I really like the Hornady coyote heavy mag 3" BB with Carlson's dead coyote choke just shot one at 80 yArds on Sunday and dogs bayed it and finished with 22 pistol I just use Mossberg 835 under fifty yards it's bang flop if you do your part

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What does good pattern density at 60 yards mean to you?

27 pellets in a shell. An 8" spray painted dot on a large plastic garbage bag 60 yds. 6 or 7 pellets in the dot with 10 or 12 more pellets in a 20" -24" circle around the painted dot. 8 to 1 0 pellets outside that. 15 pellets in a 20" circle will get your coyote. Have shot this several times, and this has been the rough average.


That's a hell of a good pattern at 60 yards. Especially so with the 2.75" shell. You have an unusually good patterning combo, hang on to it! And, yep that pattern will do a good job, even at 60 yards.


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Turkey loads work on the occasional target of opportunity.

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Originally Posted by atse
Originally Posted by MOGC
What does good pattern density at 60 yards mean to you?

27 pellets in a shell. An 8" spray painted dot on a large plastic garbage bag 60 yds. 6 or 7 pellets in the dot with 10 or 12 more pellets in a 20" -24" circle around the painted dot. 8 to 1 0 pellets outside that. 15 pellets in a 20" circle will get your coyote. Have shot this several times, and this has been the rough average.


I'd be pleased with that.


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What does good pattern density at 60 yards mean to you?

27 pellets in a shell. An 8" spray painted dot on a large plastic garbage bag 60 yds. 6 or 7 pellets in the dot with 10 or 12 more pellets in a 20" -24" circle around the painted dot. 8 to 1 0 pellets outside that. 15 pellets in a 20" circle will get your coyote. Have shot this several times, and this has been the rough average.


That's a hell of a good pattern at 60 yards. Especially so with the 2.75" shell. You have an unusually good patterning combo, hang on to it! And, yep that pattern will do a good job, even at 60 yards.

It's a benelli super 90. Had it about 20 years. Use it for gunning coyote and wolves out of the helicopter. And ya the gun does shoot a pretty tight pattern.

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You need to pattern the load to know. The average mod. or even some full chokes will shoot a 3 foot or bigger pattern at 45 yards. With 27 pellets in the load, due the math. Coyote sized holes in the pattern are common. The vital areas on a coyote are not very big. Coyotes are tough and fringe hits won't count for much.

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As a general starting point I've found a sweet spot for No. Four Buck to be about .055" constriction from the bore size. Sometimes a bit less, maybe a bit more and you have a very usable pattern. Not all bore sizes are the same. The old standard American bore size for 12 gauge was .729" . The Italian guns were tighter at .723". But then the over bore fad became common and now bores run all the way up to .775" in the case of some Mossberg 12 gauge shotguns. You have to know your bore size and think in terms of constriction, not just an overall number. The .675" that works in the old Remington bores would be .100" of constriction in the overbore Mossberg 835. That would be a safety issue. So a general number as in ". xxx" chokes work for No.Four Buck in shotguns" is impossible to state. There are some general rules of thumb, shorter barrels trend toward tighter constriction. A 21" barrel might like about .005" more constriction than a 26" or 28" barrel. Longer barrels tend to be more forgiving and pattern more uniformly. Clean barrels pattern tighter than dirty bores. Cold weather seems to hurt patterns. Shotguns are considerably more finicky than many folks think.


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Very true that a clean barrel makes a difference in pattern . My gun patterns are easy to see them going dowhhill after 4 shots , pellets start having gaps on paper , flyers show themselves around 8-9-10 round mark .

Don't remember the exact pattern measurement but i always related it to a blow up beach ball - quite a bit bigger than a basketball . Shot at 45 lasered yards from the muzzle of the gun . Myself I wouldn't want a smaller pattern than that . It's a coyote smashing machine .


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Originally Posted by erich
I regularly shoot 2 3/4" loads in my shotguns for coyotes BUT they are combo guns and the shotgun covers the close in stuff and I have the rifle barrel for the longer stuff, my goto load is 1 1/4oz of NP BB's in 2 3/4" 12's and 1oz of NP BB's in the 2 1/2" 16. If I were in a dedicated shotgun area I'd look at shooting a load of TSS 3's out of whatever shotgun I was using, it is harder to find a 2 3/4" only shotgun nowdays. If cost is the determining factor the Stoeger 3000 with a 24" barrel and choke tubes would be a real candidate for a predator shotgun. I do have a dedicated pred shotgun, a Rem 870 Express turkey gun 21" barrel and have a stock of Dead Coyote and Rem HD BB's but haven't taken it out in 20 yrs.



Curious about what combo gun?

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My buddy and I killed 69 off snowmobiles in 3 days this winter. All of them killed with #4 buck 2 3/4" 12 gauge shells. I can't imagine a better coyote round for under 60 yards.

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My buddy and I killed 69 off snowmobiles in 3 days this winter. All of them killed with #4 buck 2 3/4" 12 gauge shells. I can't imagine a better coyote round for under 60 yards.


That would way high on the fun scale ! !


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Plastic wadding in the barrel destroys patterns.

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I love shotgunning predators, and have taken coyote, coons, fox, and bobcat with them. Here is the reality. They all work. It depends on what range you are comfortable with and what your hunting conditions are like. I have shot them with 20, 12, and my Browning Gold 10, and there are no shortage of stories of guys killing them with #4 or #5 turkey loads.

That being said, I prefer a 12 or 10 gauge to do the work. 12 is lighter and cheaper, both to buy and shoot lol! But nothing patterns like a 10! Buy at least a 3" chamber. I like turkey guns because of their shorter barrels and they are usually camo. You go for a Benelli or Browning on the high end, or a Mossberg 835 on the economical side. Have both, and both work very well! You can always step down and shoot 2 3/4, but at least you have the option to shoot 3" as well. 3 1/2" shells work fairly well, but are expensive and punishing to shoot. I like #4 buck for the wet work, and have used T and BBB as well in steel. I also like #2 steel on fox. All seem to do the deed when the range is right. Dead Coyote, or any tungsten load is awesome on predators, but crazy expensive.
I would really suggest you take the time to pattern your shotgun. Believe it or not, you can miss with a shotgun, or at least wound enough that the critter gets away.
I cant suggest a good choke tube enough as well. I have used several different brands, but have had extremely good success with Pattermaster chokes. I have taken dogs off all four paws at ranges I wont print here, because it wouldn't be believed. But they are tight, and dont work well with some of the factory flight control wads out there. Again, test some loads and patterns in your gun.
Get a good shotgun, go find some thick stuff to hide in, and call those predators in.....and dont shoot your caller!!!

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Bernardelli 12ga/5.6x50R Mag(lengthened 222 Rem Mag with a rim) Weaver V-3 1-3x20mm

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All three will stay sub MOA with the rifle to 200 yards and the two O/U will do it at 300 plus they are very well regulated to point of impact with both the rifle and shotgun.

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