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My understanding of the modern diesels, is that one should not use an additive that includes a 'water dispersant'. That works well in a gas engine, but defeats the water separator function of the diesel fuel filter, and will void the warranty on injector pump and injectors.
Lets be careful out there.
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My understanding of the modern diesels, is that one should not use an additive that includes a 'water dispersant'. That works well in a gas engine, but defeats the water separator function of the diesel fuel filter, and will void the warranty on injector pump and injectors.
Lets be careful out there.
Yep,my 2019 manual list only specific additives that can be used.
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I will look it up when I get out to the truck today .Snowing like heck right now. As I remember it shows what ingredients that should not be used. As mentioned it only shows what not to use. As you posted: Diesel -water emolsions such as Aquazole Anything containing alcohol,organo-metallic additives. What I remembered is mentioned in where it talks about Top Tier Fuels and if you use low quality fuel to use AC Delco Fuel System Treatment Plus-Diesel but that doesn't address additives. My bad. See www.toptiergas.com for a listof Top Tier marketers
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I sell FPPF, Stanadyne and Power Service here. Well, we have some bottles of PS on the shelf, they don't sell. Stanadyne is our #1 seller, and we start selling it by the case this time of year, but come summer time, hardly anybody buys it. My engine guys swear by it and run it in their own rigs, so that's about all the sales pitch I need.
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I heard some negatives about Power Service a few years back and stopped using it. I suspect that somebody used their "Diesel 911" as a regular additive instead of a fix for gelled fuel, and they got a bad rap as a result. Many gas stations around town had nothing but 911 on the shelf, and for quite a while.
I run stanadyne if anything. I know many of the truckers are running 2-stroke oil. But one guy's experience is rarely going to get you a conclusive answer on something like this.
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I heard some negatives about Power Service a few years back and stopped using it. Power Service is an emulsifier, so it basically absorbs any moisture that may be in your system and is running it through your injectors (ticking time bomb) Stanadyne and quite a few others are de-mulsifiers and will separate any moisture out and let your water separator do it's job. People should drain their fuel bowls now and again prior to a potential water warning in fuel light.
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Thanks... that would explain the bad rap. Is that all of the power service additives?
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Thanks... that would explain the bad rap. Is that all of the power service additives? - Yes I believe so, it seems about 50% of the diesel additives are emulsifiers which probably aren't all that bad on the older diesel injectors (don't quote me on that). The new common rail injectors are so susceptible to damage though and worse case if an injector fails and sticks open it's probably going to burn a hole in the piston.
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Thanks... that would explain the bad rap. Is that all of the power service additives? - Yes I believe so, it seems about 50% of the diesel additives are emulsifiers which probably aren't all that bad on the older diesel injectors (don't quote me on that). The new common rail injectors are so susceptible to damage though and worse case if an injector fails and sticks open it's probably going to burn a hole in the piston. Same for older diesels and using ATF or 2-stroke in the fuel as a lube. In older motors its ok, but on common rail especially with SCR/DPF it's bad news.
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So since I'm using PS and 2 cycle in my 97 Dodge with a quart of ATF every other month to clean the injectors, I'm dooming my rig?
It's only got 271,000 miles and I want it to last at least another 300-400K.
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So since I'm using PS and 2 cycle in my 97 Dodge with a quart of ATF every other month to clean the injectors, I'm dooming my rig?
It's only got 271,000 miles and I want it to last at least another 300-400K. That's like saying, "It's a model made before catalytic converters so it'll run good on regular gas." Your 12-Valve 5.9 is exponentially more forgiving regarding what you can and cannot do regarding fuel.
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So since I'm using PS and 2 cycle in my 97 Dodge with a quart of ATF every other month to clean the injectors, I'm dooming my rig?
It's only got 271,000 miles and I want it to last at least another 300-400K. Your 12-Valve 5.9 is exponentially more forgiving regarding what you can and cannot do regarding fuel. Exactly - Way different injectors that are currently run and a LOT more forgiving.
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