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One shouldn't "have to", but one will always need to.

Even said "outright" there is no "unequivocally".

The 2A is pretty succinct in it's wording, as in what part of "Shall not be infringed" is unclear..................yet it's been argued for a few hundred years now.

For heaven's sake, we had a duly elected President trying to debate the meaning of the word "is".


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Originally Posted by Robert_White
https://www.amazon.com/Nation-Cowards-Essays-Ethics-Control/dp/1888118083

Beaver 10, you need to read this book.
Your Utilitarian ethic equates to a simple majority voting to force Socrates to drink poison.
Or two men and a woman shipwreck on an island and the men voting to allow rape on Tuesday Friday and Monday.

America was not founded on a Utilitarian ethic. That is Hitler and Stalin and all Marxists.

The Declaration asserts God given inalienable rights sustained by just governments for individuals.
If you do not believe in Jefferson's creed at this point maybe you should take your own advice and shut your stupid godless Marxist mouth.



That last sentence pretty much sums up rw's level of discourse and the quality of thinking that guides it.

He has yet to be right about anything but compensates w/ volume, very tiresome.


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Originally Posted by Robert_White
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Yeah, ever kid needs a drugged out whore for a mother, that'd be the life......


By your way of reasoning all three year olds of derelict mothers should be shot.


I have a question for you Robert.

How many unwanted children have you adopted?
How many have you just opened your door to even temporarily in their time of need?


Is he not answering because his answer would be a whole number less than one?

Bob,

Let me show you how easy it is to answer this question.

In my case the answer is 2, and that was on top of the 5 kids I already had at the time.


Your diligence and or my accused dereliction is a false argument and you know it.
Because you adopted two black kids, does not equate to justifying the mass murder of over 60 million helpless children.


Bob,

Again, the majority of Americans don't accept your definitions relating to this subject.

Additionally there's a fundamental difference between families deciding what's least bad for their circumstances, and government forcing it's decision upon them.

As an economist, one of my core philosophies is that is something important to you YOU DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT WITH YOUR MONEY.

If you are not willing to fix it with YOUR time and YOUR money, then it's not really important to you.

Your unwillingness to take personal action in this area, and do I like I have, and actually make a real difference in the lives of real kids, with my time, and my money, and not just sit around bitching about statistics demonstrates a fundamental difference between me the Atheist, and you, the Christian.


You didn't use logic or reason to get into this opinion, I cannot use logic or reason to get you out of it.

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Originally Posted by Robert_White
https://www.amazon.com/Nation-Cowards-Essays-Ethics-Control/dp/1888118083

Beaver 10, you need to read this book.
Your Utilitarian ethic equates to a simple majority voting to force Socrates to drink poison.
Or two men and a woman shipwreck on an island and the men voting to allow rape on Tuesday Friday and Monday.

America was not founded on a Utilitarian ethic. That is Hitler and Stalin and all Marxists.

The Declaration asserts God given inalienable rights sustained by just governments for individuals.
If you do not believe in Jefferson's creed at this point maybe you should take your own advice and shut your stupid godless Marxist mouth.



You're absolutely the least Christian Christian I've ever heard. You're consumed with anger and hate, it appears.


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The 10th Amendment clearly dictates where the right to abortion lies.

Any state which chooses to ban abortions has the constitutional right to do so.



Much like any state that wishes to enslave other human beings (as if they were cattle) has the right to do so?


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Originally Posted by Valsdad
One shouldn't "have to", but one will always need to.

Even said "outright" there is no "unequivocally".

The 2A is pretty succinct in it's wording, as in what part of "Shall not be infringed" is unclear..................yet it's been argued for a few hundred years now.

For heaven's sake, we had a duly elected President trying to debate the meaning of the word "is".



I though "Militia" and "People" are the so-called gray areas. Not to me, but then I think the right to self-defense and the obligation to defend one's country are pretty basic principles, so it follows the means to do those things should be available without question as well.

Between you and me and the cat, it's possible the Founders were actually talking about organized Militia, but I'll only yield that point on condition that natural law provides for the other reasons to be armed and that they looked at it that way as well, so it wasn't necessary for them to spell it out.


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Originally Posted by luv2safari
Originally Posted by Robert_White
https://www.amazon.com/Nation-Cowards-Essays-Ethics-Control/dp/1888118083

Beaver 10, you need to read this book.
Your Utilitarian ethic equates to a simple majority voting to force Socrates to drink poison.
Or two men and a woman shipwreck on an island and the men voting to allow rape on Tuesday Friday and Monday.

America was not founded on a Utilitarian ethic. That is Hitler and Stalin and all Marxists.

The Declaration asserts God given inalienable rights sustained by just governments for individuals.
If you do not believe in Jefferson's creed at this point maybe you should take your own advice and shut your stupid godless Marxist mouth.



You're absolutely the least Christian Christian I've ever heard. You're consumed with anger and hate, it appears.


Nothing he said in the post you quoted exhibited anger or hate. Why then the accusation? Where's your evidence? Now, if you want to accuse Jag-off, hell, I'll hold your coat.


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Originally Posted by Pappy348
Originally Posted by Valsdad
One shouldn't "have to", but one will always need to.

Even said "outright" there is no "unequivocally".

The 2A is pretty succinct in it's wording, as in what part of "Shall not be infringed" is unclear..................yet it's been argued for a few hundred years now.

For heaven's sake, we had a duly elected President trying to debate the meaning of the word "is".



I though "Militia" and "People" are the so-called gray areas. Not to me, but then I think the right to self-defense and the obligation to defend one's country are pretty basic principles, so it follows the means to do those things should be available without question as well.

Between you and me and the cat, it's possible the Founders were actually talking about organized Militia, but I'll only yield that point on condition that natural law provides for the other reasons to be armed that they looked at it that way as well.


The word "Militia" appear in the prefatory clause, which does not modify or change the meaning of the main clause. This is 5th grade English.


You didn't use logic or reason to get into this opinion, I cannot use logic or reason to get you out of it.

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Way more fun flapping gums and tongues than finding his wallet to pay for his beliefs. Akin, to a neighbor who says to you, we should build a fence to keep our dogs separated...But, can’t help pay or build the fence....The world is full of free idealism. 😎


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Originally Posted by Tarquin
Originally Posted by luv2safari
Originally Posted by Robert_White
https://www.amazon.com/Nation-Cowards-Essays-Ethics-Control/dp/1888118083

Beaver 10, you need to read this book.
Your Utilitarian ethic equates to a simple majority voting to force Socrates to drink poison.
Or two men and a woman shipwreck on an island and the men voting to allow rape on Tuesday Friday and Monday.

America was not founded on a Utilitarian ethic. That is Hitler and Stalin and all Marxists.

The Declaration asserts God given inalienable rights sustained by just governments for individuals.
If you do not believe in Jefferson's creed at this point maybe you should take your own advice and shut your stupid godless Marxist mouth.



You're absolutely the least Christian Christian I've ever heard. You're consumed with anger and hate, it appears.


Nothing he said in the post you quoted exhibited anger or hate. Why then the accusation? Where's your evidence? Now, if you want to accuse Jag-off, hell, I'll hold your coat.


Did you miss that part about "shut your stupid godless Marxist mouth."??


You didn't use logic or reason to get into this opinion, I cannot use logic or reason to get you out of it.

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Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
Originally Posted by Tarquin
Originally Posted by luv2safari
Originally Posted by Robert_White
https://www.amazon.com/Nation-Cowards-Essays-Ethics-Control/dp/1888118083

Beaver 10, you need to read this book.
Your Utilitarian ethic equates to a simple majority voting to force Socrates to drink poison.
Or two men and a woman shipwreck on an island and the men voting to allow rape on Tuesday Friday and Monday.

America was not founded on a Utilitarian ethic. That is Hitler and Stalin and all Marxists.

The Declaration asserts God given inalienable rights sustained by just governments for individuals.
If you do not believe in Jefferson's creed at this point maybe you should take your own advice and shut your stupid godless Marxist mouth.



You're absolutely the least Christian Christian I've ever heard. You're consumed with anger and hate, it appears.


Nothing he said in the post you quoted exhibited anger or hate. Why then the accusation? Where's your evidence? Now, if you want to accuse Jag-off, hell, I'll hold your coat.


Did you miss that part about "shut your stupid godless Marxist mouth."??



Bob, was just mad at me for calling him out for lack of funding for his utopia. 😎


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Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
Originally Posted by Pappy348
Originally Posted by Valsdad
One shouldn't "have to", but one will always need to.

Even said "outright" there is no "unequivocally".

The 2A is pretty succinct in it's wording, as in what part of "Shall not be infringed" is unclear..................yet it's been argued for a few hundred years now.

For heaven's sake, we had a duly elected President trying to debate the meaning of the word "is".



I though "Militia" and "People" are the so-called gray areas. Not to me, but then I think the right to self-defense and the obligation to defend one's country are pretty basic principles, so it follows the means to do those things should be available without question as well.

Between you and me and the cat, it's possible the Founders were actually talking about organized Militia, but I'll only yield that point on condition that natural law provides for the other reasons to be armed that they looked at it that way as well.


The word "Militia" appear in the prefatory clause, which does not modify or change the meaning of the main clause. This is 5th grade English.


Did you learn basic English sentence structure in the Fourth Grade from the Nuns too? wink

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Originally Posted by akasparky
Originally Posted by gunner500
I don't believe in abortion for whores that use it as a form of birth control, as far as the other, it's none of my damn business, I'm not a Woman.


Yeah, ever kid needs a drugged out whore for a mother, that'd be the life......


No, if you cant afford kids, STOP FU-KING!
If you're a drugged out whore that wont stop fu-king, you get a free .gov STERILIZATION!

see how simple that is?


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Originally Posted by Beaver10
Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
Originally Posted by Tarquin
Originally Posted by luv2safari
Originally Posted by Robert_White
https://www.amazon.com/Nation-Cowards-Essays-Ethics-Control/dp/1888118083

Beaver 10, you need to read this book.
Your Utilitarian ethic equates to a simple majority voting to force Socrates to drink poison.
Or two men and a woman shipwreck on an island and the men voting to allow rape on Tuesday Friday and Monday.

America was not founded on a Utilitarian ethic. That is Hitler and Stalin and all Marxists.

The Declaration asserts God given inalienable rights sustained by just governments for individuals.
If you do not believe in Jefferson's creed at this point maybe you should take your own advice and shut your stupid godless Marxist mouth.



You're absolutely the least Christian Christian I've ever heard. You're consumed with anger and hate, it appears.


Nothing he said in the post you quoted exhibited anger or hate. Why then the accusation? Where's your evidence? Now, if you want to accuse Jag-off, hell, I'll hold your coat.


Did you miss that part about "shut your stupid godless Marxist mouth."??



Bob, was just mad at me for calling him out for lack of funding for his utopia. 😎


I have a hard time deciphering emotions on a computer screen.

Could that have been righteous indignation instead of plain o'l anger or hate?

Geno


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Originally Posted by gunner500
Originally Posted by akasparky
Originally Posted by gunner500
I don't believe in abortion for whores that use it as a form of birth control, as far as the other, it's none of my damn business, I'm not a Woman.


Yeah, ever kid needs a drugged out whore for a mother, that'd be the life......


No, if you cant afford kids, STOP FU-KING!
If you're a drugged out whore that wont stop fu-king, you get a free .gov STERILIZATION!

see how simple that is?


Free Sterilization...Now, that I would open my wallet and wholeheartedly support the hell out of. 😎


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Originally Posted by Valsdad
Originally Posted by Beaver10
Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
Originally Posted by Tarquin
Originally Posted by luv2safari
Originally Posted by Robert_White
https://www.amazon.com/Nation-Cowards-Essays-Ethics-Control/dp/1888118083

Beaver 10, you need to read this book.
Your Utilitarian ethic equates to a simple majority voting to force Socrates to drink poison.
Or two men and a woman shipwreck on an island and the men voting to allow rape on Tuesday Friday and Monday.

America was not founded on a Utilitarian ethic. That is Hitler and Stalin and all Marxists.

The Declaration asserts God given inalienable rights sustained by just governments for individuals.
If you do not believe in Jefferson's creed at this point maybe you should take your own advice and shut your stupid godless Marxist mouth.



You're absolutely the least Christian Christian I've ever heard. You're consumed with anger and hate, it appears.


Nothing he said in the post you quoted exhibited anger or hate. Why then the accusation? Where's your evidence? Now, if you want to accuse Jag-off, hell, I'll hold your coat.


Did you miss that part about "shut your stupid godless Marxist mouth."??



Bob, was just mad at me for calling him out for lack of funding for his utopia. 😎


I have a hard time deciphering emotions on a computer screen.

Could that have been righteous indignation instead of plain o'l anger or hate?

Geno


Probably both...

Geno, it hurt my feelings....Sniff 😢😎


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Originally Posted by Beaver10
Originally Posted by gunner500
Originally Posted by akasparky
Originally Posted by gunner500
I don't believe in abortion for whores that use it as a form of birth control, as far as the other, it's none of my damn business, I'm not a Woman.


Yeah, ever kid needs a drugged out whore for a mother, that'd be the life......


No, if you cant afford kids, STOP FU-KING!
If you're a drugged out whore that wont stop fu-king, you get a free .gov STERILIZATION!

see how simple that is?


Free Sterilization...Now, that I would open my wallet and wholeheartedly support the hell out of. 😎


It would save us BILLIONS, Beav. cool


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Originally Posted by gunner500
Originally Posted by akasparky
Originally Posted by gunner500
I don't believe in abortion for whores that use it as a form of birth control, as far as the other, it's none of my damn business, I'm not a Woman.


Yeah, ever kid needs a drugged out whore for a mother, that'd be the life......


No, if you cant afford kids, STOP FU-KING!
If you're a drugged out whore that wont stop fu-king, you get a free .gov STERILIZATION!

see how simple that is?

gunner,

I know you're not advocating for .Gov intervention in peoples' lives, are you?

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In it is contentment
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Originally Posted by Beaver10
Originally Posted by gunner500
Originally Posted by akasparky
Originally Posted by gunner500
I don't believe in abortion for whores that use it as a form of birth control, as far as the other, it's none of my damn business, I'm not a Woman.


Yeah, ever kid needs a drugged out whore for a mother, that'd be the life......


No, if you cant afford kids, STOP FU-KING!
If you're a drugged out whore that wont stop fu-king, you get a free .gov STERILIZATION!

see how simple that is?


Free Sterilization...Now, that I would open my wallet and wholeheartedly support the hell out of. 😎


How about free birth control too? Pills, condoms, etc.


Remember why, specifically, the Bill of Rights was written...remember its purpose. It was written to limit the power of government over the individual.

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Originally Posted by Beaver10
Originally Posted by Valsdad


I have a hard time deciphering emotions on a computer screen.

Could that have been righteous indignation instead of plain o'l anger or hate?

Geno


Probably both...

Geno, it hurt my feelings....Sniff 😢😎[/quote]

Better tell that to our buddy 'flave.

I think he's in charge of hurt feelers.

Has a special 3 letter acronym just for that situation I heard!

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