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Wow, I've never owned a 280, but from what some here have suggested, you CAN put lipstick on a pig! That said a lot right there, LOL!!!
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Really, I have to say, for what I use it for the .270 does everything I need and then some. But guess what? I have both! My .280 is built on a 98 action with a 26" E.R. Shaw barrel and shoots a 150 grain anything out the barrel at just below 3000 FPS. That's scalding for a 150 grain. I owe this to the 26" barrel. It's a great rifle, but I don't need a 150 grain in my .270 to hunt deer, and that's what I do with it. My .270 has a lowly 22" Barrel on a 1966 Model 70. Yep it's just an old Push Feed post 63. But it's killed about 70 deer in the 53 years I've had it, so I'm keeping it. It's my favorite deer riflea
I like my .280 too. It was the first rifle I ever had built, and it works. I'm keeping it too. I take it hunting a lot. But my favorite for white tail deer is that ratty old push feed Model 70 .270.
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This has been quite an informative thread for me. Thanks to all with experience and knowledge of the two calibers who have taken the time to mull it over with me.
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A. Correct thinking is that the 280 is as Magnum 270.
B . Those high BC 7mm bullets trump all 270 anything.
A. Sorry but hahaha, laughable. B. NOT when you compare Proportional bullets. eg. 130 - 270. vs. 140 - 284 140 - 270. vs. 150 - 284 etc. See. Sectional Density Jerry
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[quote=Steve Redgwell Wow, I've never owned a 280, but from what some here have suggested, you CAN put lipstick on a pig! ———————- 10 - 4 Jerry
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ruraldoc,
I suspect the accuracy edge you see in .280s is due to a small sample. I have owned a bunch of each and both cartridges have been extremely accurate in some--including a Model 78 Remington .270, the "cheap" birch-stocke 1d version they no longer offer.
As noted earlier, killed enough big game with the .280 during the 1990s (and the .270 from 1974 on) to know the theoretical killing-power advantages are just that. But rifle loonies often believe very firmly in small "paper" advantages.
If I feel the actual need for more than a .270 on big game, I tend to jump quite a bit beyond the .280, to a "medium bore." Me too MD, and if I want to shoot 175-180 grain bullets I'll go to my ,30-06 or my .300 WBY or go to a 7 Mag. Yeah, I know, the .280 doesn't give up much to a 7 Mag, Well it does with 175 grain and heavier bullets. In the .270-.280 class, I don't need that heavy a bullet for hunting. And as far as all that BC, part of the gain is overridden by the heavier bullet's Velocity loss penalty especially at those longer ranges. I limit myself to 400-500 yards on game. On paper, no big deal, but I don't do a lot of paper punching. I'm a hunter.
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ruraldoc,
I suspect the accuracy edge you see in .280s is due to a small sample. I have owned a bunch of each and both cartridges have been extremely accurate in some--including a Model 78 Remington .270, the "cheap" birch-stocke 1d version they no longer offer.
As noted earlier, killed enough big game with the .280 during the 1990s (and the .270 from 1974 on) to know the theoretical killing-power advantages are just that. But rifle loonies often believe very firmly in small "paper" advantages.
If I feel the actual need for more than a .270 on big game, I tend to jump quite a bit beyond the .280, to a "medium bore." Me too MD, and if I want to shoot 175-180 grain bullets I'll go to my ,30-06 or my .300 WBY or go to a 7 Mag. Yeah, I know, the .280 doesn't give up much to a 7 Mag, Well it does with 175 grain and heavier bullets. In the .270-.280 class, I don't need that heavy a bullet for hunting. And as far as all that BC, part of the gain is overridden by the heavier bullet's Velocity loss penalty especially at those longer ranges. I limit myself to 400-500 yards on game. On paper, no big deal, but I don't do a lot of paper punching. I'm a hunter. I always got a kick out of the guys who would try to convince you of the superiority of the 280 over the 270, but then use the reverse argument when comparing it to the seven Mag. People are funny sometimes... 😁
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I thought the purpose of the .280 was to make .270 owners feel insecure?
I am..........disturbed.
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I thought the purpose of the .280 was to make .270 owners feel insecure? FAILJerry
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The 280 was Remington’s attempt to kinda sorta equal the 270.
Another Remington snafu.
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With a 280 you can shoot your 7mag bullets accurately and safely......
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The 280 was Remington’s attempt to kinda sorta equal the 270.
Another Remington snafu.
Jerry That being the case, you gotta wonder how things would be now if Remington's genius marketing team hadn't screwed everything up from the get go. It can't be argued, but it can be imagined. I don't even care to put forth a guess...it's pointless. I did have a thought, though: in a world where a .243 or 6mm of another flavor would be adequate for a great deal of deer hunting, what advantage does either .270, .280, or .30-06 really offer?
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Guys, I don’t have ANYthing against the 280. I know what it is and I know what it isn’t.
I have said sincerely, “ if you have a 270, you have a 280 AND if you have a 280, you have a 270 “
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For all practical purposes, I fully agree, Jerry. I think some are arguing for fun...others are emotionally attached to a headstamp...not that there's anything wrong with that, either.
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The hitch with the 270 is to get the BC’s of the 180 you have to run 140’s... but that slows her down.. Now that right there is some picky ... well pick’ em... I’ve shot a lot of critters at 500+ yards with a old school 30-06.
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How about this:
If you load your own ammo, the 280 has the advantage of a larger selection of VLD, high BC, component bullets.
If you primarily shoot factory loaded ammo, the 270 has the advantage of many more options in terms of manufacturers, bullet styles, bullet weights, and retail distribution.
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The 280 was Remington’s attempt to kinda sorta equal the 270.
Another Remington snafu.
Jerry Rumor has it the Remington model 740 couldn't handle the 270 pressures thus the 280. Lower pressure and all to make it semi friendly.
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For all practical purposes, I fully agree, Jerry. I think some are arguing for fun...others are emotionally attached to a headstamp...not that there's anything wrong with that, either. Arguing for fun? Is that legal around here? I don't think either one is suitable for home defense.
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For all practical purposes, I fully agree, Jerry. I think some are arguing for fun...others are emotionally attached to a headstamp...not that there's anything wrong with that, either. Arguing for fun? Is that legal around here? I don't think either one is suitable for home defense. Oh, come on, Dan! Everyone knows .270 will bounce off a bad guy, but .280 will kill em deader 'n a doornail!
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