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Originally Posted by heavywalker
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Why is market volatility even a thing for anyone? If downs and ups scare you, then you shouldn't be in stocks. Invest in good companies and hold for the long-term. Profit is guaranteed. We're still probably twice as far ahead as we would be if Hillary had gotten elected. Why worry?


Why do you have to be scared to pull your money out downturns are opportunities too. You can increase buying power significantly in times like these. Money sitting on the sidelines during times like these is just as if not more valuable than money in the market during good times. Buy low sell high is the game. Letting it ride is a good way to get a 7-10% annual return over long term. However that comes with a ceiling.


You are considering yourself a better market timer than millions of other people out there, including professionals who do it for a living with the greatest technology on the planet. No one beats the market over time other than blind luck. Get in touch with Gamblers Anonymous.

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So what you are saying is that the people who bought near the bottom in 2009 are no better off then than who bought at 12-18k, rode it down, and back up again? You don’t have to find the exact bottom but you can sure get in the ballpark.

I know plenty of people who are rather good at buy low, sell high. When I feel things are near the bottom I will pick up 10k worth of vti for the long term. I just bought some investment property that I need to renovate so I will be a bit cash poor for this opportunity.

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Originally Posted by Paddler
Pretty funny that Trump initially blamed the selloff on the Democratic debate. Now Donnie Jr is saying on Fox that the Dems are hoping that the virus comes here and kills millions of people so we can get rid of Trump. Sorry, that's just weird. Now that Pence is "in charge" I feel a whole lot better.

I don't know where the bottom is. The virus seems to be on the upswing, so I expect the markets will continue to fall in the near term. We're down about 11% so far on our investments, but luckily have enough in checking to live comfortably for several years. Being debt free is nice.


You'd probably bounce a 20 dollar check.

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Pretty funny that Trump initially blamed the selloff on the Democratic debate. Now Donnie Jr is saying on Fox that the Dems are hoping that the virus comes here and kills millions of people so we can get rid of Trump. Sorry, that's just weird. Now that Pence is "in charge" I feel a whole lot better.

I don't know where the bottom is. The virus seems to be on the upswing, so I expect the markets will continue to fall in the near term. We're down about 11% so far on our investments, but luckily have enough in checking to live comfortably for several years. Being debt free is nice.


You'd probably bounce a 20 dollar check.


Uh oh, you got me. My wife writes the checks around here. Guessing you're a dumbass cracker, which means you're a Trumper. Good luck with that.


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Oh, honey.


Your hair looks fine...........


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Oh, honey.


Your hair looks fine...........


And yours looks like sh*t. Just like the rest of you. Are you morbidly obese or just plain obese?


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Originally Posted by Paddler
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Pretty funny that Trump initially blamed the selloff on the Democratic debate. Now Donnie Jr is saying on Fox that the Dems are hoping that the virus comes here and kills millions of people so we can get rid of Trump. Sorry, that's just weird. Now that Pence is "in charge" I feel a whole lot better.

I don't know where the bottom is. The virus seems to be on the upswing, so I expect the markets will continue to fall in the near term. We're down about 11% so far on our investments, but luckily have enough in checking to live comfortably for several years. Being debt free is nice.


You'd probably bounce a 20 dollar check.


Uh oh, you got me. My wife writes the checks around here. Guessing you're a dumbass cracker, which means you're a Trumper. Good luck with that.



"wife'? ha ha. Does your tranny know you call him that? Guarantee you play the"bottom bish" in that relationship

Id pay a $100 to see Piddles call Jim fat to his face.

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Put all of my 401k in fixed income early last week. Still lost $60k.
I’ll jump back in after a) the virus runs through the US or b) a vaccine is found. I don’t think the market will stop falling until then.


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Remember when Bill Clinton and the liberals wanted free trade well that`s why the stock market is a mess now. President Trump will fix it in time and it will come back . hopefully America has learned its lesson with free trade ? > it should be always equal trade or even a little advantage to Americans ?


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Originally Posted by Calvin
So what you are saying is that the people who bought near the bottom in 2009 are no better off then than who bought at 12-18k, rode it down, and back up again? You don’t have to find the exact bottom but you can sure get in the ballpark.

I know plenty of people who are rather good at buy low, sell high. When I feel things are near the bottom I will pick up 10k worth of vti for the long term. I just bought some investment property that I need to renovate so I will be a bit cash poor for this opportunity.


So you have been holding 10k on the sideline somewhere doing nothing for how long?

It is not statistically possible to beat the market average over time among a broad swath of people. In order to "buy at the bottom" means that one was holding cash on the sidelines somehow, and rarely does cash gain in value while parked. So by holding out for awhile, the investor lost their chance to buy MORE shares and ride them HIGHER, then able to hold on and ride down and back out again.

It's just math. Unless you're better than all the other people on average over time, but alas that's called narcissism, a most common trait among gamblers.

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Originally Posted by Paddler
Originally Posted by Jim_Conrad
Oh, honey.


Your hair looks fine...........


And yours looks like sh*t. Just like the rest of you. Are you morbidly obese or just plain obese?


I’m sure you prefer skinny little boys, but Jim’s what real man looks like.


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Her old man musta turned her out again eh Stormin?


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Originally Posted by Jim_Conrad
Her old man musta turned her out again eh Stormin?


It’s pretty much a guarantee that you post something on every thread which makes little sense and lacks substance. You will be to 30k posts in no time, nice.

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Thanks for the encouragement. Its tough to stay motivated sometimes.


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Originally Posted by DakotaDeer
So you have been holding 10k on the sideline somewhere doing nothing for how long?

It is not statistically possible to beat the market average over time among a broad swath of people. In order to "buy at the bottom" means that one was holding cash on the sidelines somehow, and rarely does cash gain in value while parked. So by holding out for awhile, the investor lost their chance to buy MORE shares and ride them HIGHER, then able to hold on and ride down and back out again.

It's just math. Unless you're better than all the other people on average over time, but alas that's called narcissism, a most common trait among gamblers.


It apparently is not difficult to be better than the average of MOST other people over time.

I sure as hell am no gambler. I refuse to even buy a lottery ticket. The state takes a cut of every dollar that crosses the table.

I wish I had known twenty years ago what I know now. But I was not knowledgeable enough to recognize the bubble of 2000-2001.

I was young and just getting started with my 401 K. I had $60K in Putnam funds. I sat on the sidelines and watched it dwindle to $15K. I kept thinking "It'll come back. It'll come back". And it almost did by mid 2007.

2007 started looking like a bubble to me again, so I moved my funds (Prudential now) into stable value, where they sat safely through 2008 while my friends were crying about losing $thousands and $tens of thousands through the months.
Did I pick the highest moment in history to sell? Probably not. But I did not miss it by much.

Did I buy back into stocks at the absolute minimum in early 2009. No, but again, I did not miss it by much.

The bottom line is: Do I have more money in my accounts today because I recognized the signs of unsustainable growth and reacted to them? Absolutely.

Once again it has been easy to recognize the signs of unsustainable growth over the last year. A correction had to be coming. All it needed was a trigger. Economic slowdown in China is a hell of a trigger.

It did not take an Albert Einstein to know it was time to sell stocks by Feb 15 of '20.

Yes, I missed the peak by 2%. I should have put in the sell order for Friday instead of Monday the 24'th. But I sure as heck am not complaining. I will have a lot more cash with which to repurchase stocks in Nov, than if I had just "let it ride".

This is not gambling. This is just common sense.


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Originally Posted by pete53
Remember when Bill Clinton and the liberals wanted free trade well that`s why the stock market is a mess now. President Trump will fix it in time and it will come back . hopefully America has learned its lesson with free trade ? > it should be always equal trade or even a little advantage to Americans ?

Yeah, okay... How much do you have invested in the market?

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Originally Posted by Idaho_Shooter
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So you have been holding 10k on the sideline somewhere doing nothing for how long?

It is not statistically possible to beat the market average over time among a broad swath of people. In order to "buy at the bottom" means that one was holding cash on the sidelines somehow, and rarely does cash gain in value while parked. So by holding out for awhile, the investor lost their chance to buy MORE shares and ride them HIGHER, then able to hold on and ride down and back out again.

It's just math. Unless you're better than all the other people on average over time, but alas that's called narcissism, a most common trait among gamblers.


It apparently is not difficult to be better than the average of MOST other people over time.

I sure as hell am no gambler. I refuse to even buy a lottery ticket. The state takes a cut of every dollar that crosses the table.

I wish I had known twenty years ago what I know now. But I was not knowledgeable enough to recognize the bubble of 2000-2001.

I was young and just getting started with my 401 K. I had $60K in Putnam funds. I sat on the sidelines and watched it dwindle to $15K. I kept thinking "It'll come back. It'll come back". And it almost did by mid 2007.

2007 started looking like a bubble to me again, so I moved my funds (Prudential now) into stable value, where they sat safely through 2008 while my friends were crying about losing $thousands and $tens of thousands through the months.
Did I pick the highest moment in history to sell? Probably not. But I did not miss it by much.

Did I buy back into stocks at the absolute minimum in early 2009. No, but again, I did not miss it by much.

The bottom line is: Do I have more money in my accounts today because I recognized the signs of unsustainable growth and reacted to them? Absolutely.

Once again it has been easy to recognize the signs of unsustainable growth over the last year. A correction had to be coming. All it needed was a trigger. Economic slowdown in China is a hell of a trigger.

It did not take an Albert Einstein to know it was time to sell stocks by Feb 15 of '20.

Yes, I missed the peak by 2%. I should have put in the sell order for Friday instead of Monday the 24'th. But I sure as heck am not complaining. I will have a lot more cash with which to repurchase stocks in Nov, than if I had just "let it ride".

This is not gambling. This is just common sense.


Why wouldn't every other person be doing close to the same then? Especially large investors and stock fund managers? You're not seeing the forest for the trees. Did you ever think that maybe you just got lucky in timing 2007 rather than it being "uncommon" sense?

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I have done fairly well in life by tuning out the “can’t time the market” crap. Buying low and selling high has worked fine for the market, real estate, and fishing assets. Keeping money tied up “waiting” has zero appeal to me. Way to many opportunities.


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Originally Posted by Calvin
So what you are saying is that the people who bought near the bottom in 2009 are no better off then than who bought at 12-18k, rode it down, and back up again? You don’t have to find the exact bottom but you can sure get in the ballpark.

I know plenty of people who are rather good at buy low, sell high. When I feel things are near the bottom I will pick up 10k worth of vti for the long term. I just bought some investment property that I need to renovate so I will be a bit cash poor for this opportunity.


So you have been holding 10k on the sideline somewhere doing nothing for how long?

It is not statistically possible to beat the market average over time among a broad swath of people. In order to "buy at the bottom" means that one was holding cash on the sidelines somehow, and rarely does cash gain in value while parked. So by holding out for awhile, the investor lost their chance to buy MORE shares and ride them HIGHER, then able to hold on and ride down and back out again.

It's just math. Unless you're better than all the other people on average over time, but alas that's called narcissism, a most common trait among gamblers.

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