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If I had none and wanted a low cost, tried and true type handgun, this one would be my choice right now. Autoloaders are fine, but a revolver goes bang every time and if you aren't an avid gun person, they are a good choice. https://armscor.com/firearms/ria/revolver-series/m200-38-special/
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Aside from target ID, direct exposure to a decent weapon mounted light will temporarily blind someone. Especially if it's nearly dark and the pupils are dilated. Advantage to the defender.
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Target ID is often overlooked. Shooting at someone you haven't identified is a risk I'm not very enthusiastic about. A good friend almost shot his neighbor's drunken teenage son, that really shook him up.
A wise man is frequently humbled.
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Feel sorry for some of you guy's, don't know [bleep] about low light tactics, or use of.
Phil Uhh excuse me..... Don't believe in lights either. None outside or inside. Looking out from my darkened house, outside looks like daylight pretty much the same inside, someone walks into a darkened house from outside is at a disadvantage.
Phil Mr tactikool, You said, NO lights, "None outside or inside". DUH !  Jerry
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Hand guns are for carrying.
If he is not going to carry inside the home he's be far better off to get a shotgun or rifle.
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Don't believe in lights either. None outside or inside. Looking out from my darkened house, outside looks like daylight. pretty much the same inside, someone walks into a darkened house from outside is at a disadvantage.
Phil If you’re setting up an ambush, sure. The reason my bedside guns, rifle, pistol or shotgun, have lights is so I can positively identify my target before proceeding to send rounds downrange. There are multiple stories where an individual shoots someone they think is an intruder only to find it’s a family member or their drunk neighbor or similar. I have no desire to find myself in this situation, so I make sure my firearms have lights. There’s also no rule that states you have to automatically turn on a weapon mounted light - in a situation where it’s 100% clear what’s happening without need for extra light the WML can stay in the off position.
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Aside from target ID, direct exposure to a decent weapon mounted light will temporarily blind someone. Especially if it's nearly dark and the pupils are dilated. Advantage to the defender. I agree. People who scoff at weapon lights should look into a 800 or 1000 lumen light sometime after their eyes have become darkness adjusted. It doesn’t present an easy target, it blinds you. I wonder if some of this a leftover from times when flashlights simply weren’t very powerful? My 4 D cell mag light is completely anemic lumen-wise next to a TLR-1HL.
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^^ I think so, ala the old incandescent mini-mag flashlight, with it's 14 lumens.
My carbine has 1250 lumens.
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Aside from target ID, direct exposure to a decent weapon mounted light will temporarily blind someone. Especially if it's nearly dark and the pupils are dilated. Advantage to the defender. I agree. People who scoff at weapon lights should look into a 800 or 1000 lumen light sometime after their eyes have become darkness adjusted. It doesn’t present an easy target, it blinds you. I wonder if some of this a leftover from times when flashlights simply weren’t very powerful? My 4 D cell mag light is completely anemic lumen-wise next to a TLR-1HL. Well in all fairness, if you're the guy still using a single action .44 with a 7.5" barrel, a light might be a coal oil lantern. And that's tough to tactically maneuver around the log cabin with.
Every normal man must be tempted, at times, to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats.
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So many good 9s out there.
XD, CZ, S&W, Sig, glock, etc... Go feel them all and possibly some places have shooting range when you can shoot. Go with what feels right.
Go with what feels right.
Quality rail light is must. Way more practical than a laser
All of them do something better than the 30-06, but none of them do everything as well.
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Aside from target ID, direct exposure to a decent weapon mounted light will temporarily blind someone. Especially if it's nearly dark and the pupils are dilated. Advantage to the defender. I agree. People who scoff at weapon lights should look into a 800 or 1000 lumen light sometime after their eyes have become darkness adjusted. It doesn’t present an easy target, it blinds you. I wonder if some of this a leftover from times when flashlights simply weren’t very powerful? My 4 D cell mag light is completely anemic lumen-wise next to a TLR-1HL. Well in all fairness, if you're the guy still using a single action .44 with a 7.5" barrel, a light might be a coal oil lantern. And that's tough to tactically maneuver around the log cabin with. LOL!!
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So many good 9s out there.
XD, CZ, S&W, Sig, glock, etc... Go feel them all and possibly some places have shooting range when you can shoot. Go with what feels right.
Go with what feels right.
Quality rail light is must. Way more practical than a laser I agree Dre: I recently got a M P 40 in 40 S&W. I really like it and prefer it to my 6906 EVEN with a double stack mag. I shot BOTH off hand for 2 or 3 days and could NOT tell much diff in recoil. NOW - when I put it on the Pistolero rest, I could tell the 40 had a little muzzle jump. Did NOT notice OFF hand. Don't overlook the 40 SW. Leave it Loaded - Cocked - Locked - HOT & Ready. NO need to rack the slide. Jerry
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