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Whole bunch more toyota Corollas sold, than Camaro ZL 1's.....

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Originally Posted by huntsman22
Whole bunch more toyota Corollas sold, than Camaro ZL 1's.....



How's your old Yugo running? Did you install the lift kit yet?



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No Yugo here, I buy American when possible...

think ford pinto.

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That made me chuckle, I know a few folks who fit in that bracket.

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I bet there is a good correlation between those types and those who feel cartridges smaller than the '06 are marginal for deer.


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You'd be surprised how many rifles are pawned at the end of hunting season and either paid off or replaced from pawnshop inventory a week or so before the next season.

,,,,,,,,,and those guys probably kill more and better deer than we do.


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Originally Posted by cdb

I have no data to back it up but the Vortex buyers as a group seemed less knowledgeable about optics than the people who bought other brands.


I'd buy that. Well, at least in the low and lower-mid ranges.
But most of those buyers are well-acquainted with the guarantee on the box and the big sticker for the back window.


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I would never admit to owning a Ford Pinto.
My dad had a Western Field 3x9 on his 30/06 he bought it at Western Auto in the 70's. The deer he killed never knew they were killed by a low quality optic.
I remember as a young boy looking through Dad's scope and thinking how cool Dad's rifle was. And later at 18-19 years old I bought my first Leupold scope, compared it to Dad's scope. The new scope was so bright, Dad's scope looked like skim milk. But Dad shot (high expert) in the Marines, he was a good shot.
But we never knew how poor it was until we had something to compare it to.
Tasco, Simmons, Redfield, and many other low to average quality optics are used everyday. More than any other high end optic. The same people that but one box of green (Reminton)box ammo, and keep that same box for years firing only 1-2 rounds a year.


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Gotta be Bushnell at the $100 price point.


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Originally Posted by huntsman22
No Yugo here, I buy American when possible...

think ford pinto.

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A classic. You always had such good taste in cars and rifles.



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Originally Posted by SKane
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I have no data to back it up but the Vortex buyers as a group seemed less knowledgeable about optics than the people who bought other brands.


I'd buy that. Well, at least in the low and lower-mid ranges.
But most of those buyers are well-acquainted with the guarantee on the box and the big sticker for the back window.


Yep, got pulled over the other day, by a big ol' boy wearin Buford Pusser style aviators. I thought he was gonna write me up on account of all the Vortex and Realtree stickers blocking the back window, it's happened before. Turns out he just wanted to converse with a like-minded individual.

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Originally Posted by ErichTheRed
I would never admit to owning a Ford Pinto.
My dad had a Western Field 3x9 on his 30/06 he bought it at Western Auto in the 70's. The deer he killed never knew they were killed by a low quality optic.
I remember as a young boy looking through Dad's scope and thinking how cool Dad's rifle was. And later at 18-19 years old I bought my first Leupold scope, compared it to Dad's scope. The new scope was so bright, Dad's scope looked like skim milk. But Dad shot (high expert) in the Marines, he was a good shot.
But we never knew how poor it was until we had something to compare it to.
Tasco, Simmons, Redfield, and many other low to average quality optics are used everyday. More than any other high end optic. The same people that but one box of green (Reminton)box ammo, and keep that same box for years firing only 1-2 rounds a year.

But you brought your argument full circle... a guy buying one green box every few years is not buying another rifle or scope. The median scope buyer is going to have more than a few scopes.


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My first car was a copper colored 1974 Pinto hatchback that was my deer & waterfowl hunting vehicle too. The dealer gave me $500 on a trade-in sight unseen for a running vehicle when I bought a new truck in 1984. When I drove it on the lot & picked up the truck he looked at the pinto & said “we got screwed”.

The Bushnell Banner on my Ruger 7mm killed lots of deer until the reticle literally fell apart. The failure of the next cheapy in one year convinced me a Zeiss Conquest 3x9 was a good investment and I was right.

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In the last few years I've bought 2 Burris,1 Leupold, and 1 Sig Sauer riflescope. I don't know what sells the most to the masses, but I do know what sells to like minded individuals at a price point. If I could afford it, my list would only be a little different.,


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