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You are foolish to think that the Dims and the Liberal Media aren't playing this for all they can. They want this to last as long as possible and cost as much as it can.

Well, it's good to learn that I don't know a single Dim or read any Liberal Media.

Then how can anybody have "zero" immunity?

Your latest bullshit is contradicting your earlier bullshit.

Hysterical propaganda with no end.

Yep, the health care workers are all dead.

That's because you are too fugging stupid to realize you are running your mouth without understanding anything about the subject. You have no immunity to this corona virus because you have never been exposed to it. We as a population have never been exposed to it. So you as an individual and we as a population have no immunity to this corona virus. Until your immune system sees a pathogen it can build no defense against it. Where the hell do you get the gall to accuse anyone of hysterical propaganda?

That is true for every germ people come across.

And that is what makes it hysterical bullshit

Which is what I pointed out earlier, before you began arguing with yourself.

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What kind dumb does it take to think the opposition would not use every bit of this rodeo to their advantage that they can? My neighbor's idiot dog is smarter than that. They have zero need to lift a finger to make it worse or last longer when they have the idiot in chief calling it a hoax in front of the world. This [bleep] is killing people and he pulls a stunt like that???

We have no need of enemies with people like you running their mouth.

Provide support for that claim.

overwhelmingly the infected have survived C19 , thus how can you claim 'zero demonstrated immunity".?

Already did that, above.

If you've got an immunity to a germ, you can be exposed to it and your body will kill it before it can reproduce enough to cause problems.

You can't catch the same cold (or flu) twice, because your body has developed antibodies ready to kill the infection.

*Only* germs your body hasn't been exposed to before, can cause problems.

And that's the way it's been since there was humans.

Only an anti-American liberal would try and twist that fact to try and screw the country.

Here's some simple shat for a simple [bleep]:

https://www.health.com/condition/cold-flu-sinus/catch-cold-twice-video

There is nearly always immune response to a forein pathogen but that response is so small it cannot prevent infection and disease that follows. You body always recognizes self and non-self and will try to generate antibodies to attach to the non-self. That takes time and viruses can and will invade cells to capture to reproductive machinery of the cells before the body has martialed it defenses. During the time the virus is inside cells it is not visible to antibodies if they have been produced and it is busily replicating inside the cells until it ruptures spilling out all the copies. Given an adequate amount of time and a large enough initial viral assault this can result in a huge viral load in the body, a viremia.

Bluntly, with a naive immune system you body can recognize an invader, but it has no competence to fight back. You are defenseless until your body builds the antibodies to attach to the invader and in that interval is when you get to experience disease and or death. Youth, old age, sickness, poor general health all can slow the response down and prolong/magnify the disease and thus limit your survival prospects.

That's about as simple as it can be explained quickly.

with C19 its not all about the immune system under-responding, there are cases or people having
over-active immune systems, also detrimental to patients.




the immune system has no mitigation effect on C19? ..how do you explain the many survivors?






LOL.. I dont need you to explain the immune system to me short or long winded,
simply to distract from the questions I posed.

better you just explain to readers your contradictory statements.

Okay, picture a sliding scale from zero to one hundred.

Zero is zero immunity. That is where the human population across the world this year with this virus. Every one of us when infected with this virus have zero resistance. The virus will infect our bodies, and our immune system will respond to kill the virus. Ths is immune response, which is entirely different from preexisting immunity as from a vaccination.

100 is preexisting immunity as in a recent vaccination, or one who has recovered from a viral infection such as small pox. In this case, the virus can never get a start in our body because the agents to fight it are already in our blood.

To say that our immune response is on a continuum is to say that not all individuals are at 0 or 100. Some individuals may exist at 30 or 50 or 70 on the scale. This means they do have some antibodies in their blood, but not necessarily enough to totally prevent an infection. The virus will propagate to some extent in their system until their immune system has time to respond. But they will be partially protected. The viral reproductive rate in their system will be slowed and their immune system will have an easier time of catching up than if they had no protection.

The world does not exist in black or white. But in various shades of grey with white on one end and black on the other.

Yes, in regard to this C-19 virus. The human population has no immunity, because we have never encountered this virus before.

Why some individuals' immune system can ramp up so quickly that they never get sick, while others degrade for weeks and eventually die is still a mystery.

Because we do not have an explanation for this difference certainly does not indicate the difference does not exist.

And that's true for every virus on this planet.

If a person hasn't encountered that particular virus before, they will have no resistance to it, until their body develops the proper antibodies.

Same bullshit, different bullshit artist.

More B U L L S H I T.

You can (and do) lose acquired immunity be it acquired from vaccination or from exposure to the live pathogens. Even can children understand why they need to have their vaccinations boostered. Many pathogens do not vary enough over short periods that they need to be reformulated often and some not at all. Some pathogens and some vaccinations produce a weaker immune response that does not last long and require larger exposure and more frequent boosters.

You have no idea what you are talking about. Stop embarrassing yourself.

Spot on again. 7,600 dead in a global population of 8.5 billion. We're doing trillion plus dollars in damage to the global economy.....JFC.

If you are exposed to a virus that mutates it may be like an influenza and mutate a small amount and you may be able to mount a weaker response.

Get it right .

There's really nothing more to be said.

You're wrong and I'm right.

When this morona crap blows over, and nothin more than a normal flu season has occurred, I'm sure you'll take the time outta your busy schedule to apologize to the fire for makin such an ass outta yourself.

7600 in the first three months mind you and that number is quite accurately tracking an exponential curve and exactly how long should we wait and listen to people who know nothing or next to it before we take action?

How long and then, how many of the deaths are you willing to stand up and say I had a hand in this because is gave bad information?

I have book marked this because you will be asked.