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There are lies, damn lies, and statistics.....
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The reason for the 1800 deaths is: 1) They have the oldest population in Europe, and it hits old people the hardest 2) They totally failed to contain or slow it down, and cases came fast and all together into a socialized health system that is flat broke and totally overwhelmed. They are literally having to choose from those coming in who is the most likely to survive and putting them on ventilators. Others get pain management and end of life care. This is the reason for "social distancing" - to spread the number of cases out over months rather than weeks so the hospitals can keep up. So go fishing, go shooting.. avoid folks for a while. This isn't a hardship for folks like us.  Probably have more people over the age of 100 then anywhere else in the world. Their healthcare system sucks now. That was not the case a few decades back.
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How many cases not confirmed? Yep, most people likely just rode it out at home the way most folks do the flu, so it never got recorded. Yup. Most people do ride it out and are no worse for the wear. But when they spread it to Granny, so long grandma. Yeah, granny has a 15% chance of dying from it. Or if you're a glass half full kinda guy, she has an 85% chance of pulling through.
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Must not be too bad if they are all so old........
I am MAGA.
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The skepticism here would be amusing if if weren’t so scary. This is serious. The Chinese apparently have slowed it down, but they essentially closed down a city of 10-12 million or so to do it. You really think that authoritarian government did that over the common cold? It might have been months of business as usual at the meat market. Virus could have been released there months ago and no one was told until the Whistleblower doctor came forth. Healthcare system in China is pretty pathetic compared to ours.
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Must not be too bad if they are all so old........ Exactly... but do not give them the easy answers, let them work on all the readily available facts.
Mark Begich, Joaquin Jackson, and Heller resistance... Three huge reasons to worry about the NRA.
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7 percent....24,700 confirmed cases and 1800 deaths. Do the math. SO, what ya gonna do different now? Holiday in Italy?...with airports, streets and places like St Peter's and the Colesseum like ghost towns, prices are dirt cheap, and one has little chance of actually coming into contact with the infected.
-Bulletproof and Waterproof don't mean Idiotproof.
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7 percent....24,700 confirmed cases and 1800 deaths. Do the math. Spare me the hysteria. https://www.newsweek.com/newt-gingr...ica-must-act-now-act-big-opinion-1492270Italy has a unique vulnerability to coronavirus, because it has the second oldest-aged population in the world (only Japan has older citizens on average). This virus especially hits the elderly, and in Italy the average age of death is 81. The tragic experience of the Washington state nursing home simply reinforced the sense of vulnerability of older people.
So you are telling the world is coming to an end because a respiratory virus is more lethal to people over the age of 80? What next, you gonna tell me fire is hot? If you want to do a public service, please tell us why infants and children seem NOT to be getting the virus or exhibiting symptoms? Other viral pandemics were hard on that age group too. You want to look up what the mortality rate on people OVER 80 was that contract H1N1 a few years ago? To do that, you have to take the young out of the equation. Go ahead, do that math and get back to us.
"The Democrat Party looks like Titanic survivors. Partying and celebrating one moment, and huddled in lifeboats freezing the next". Hatari 2017
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The reason for the 1800 deaths is: 1) They have the oldest population in Europe, and it hits old people the hardest 2) They totally failed to contain or slow it down, and cases came fast and all together into a socialized health system that is flat broke and totally overwhelmed. They are literally having to choose from those coming in who is the most likely to survive and putting them on ventilators. Others get pain management and end of life care. This is the reason for "social distancing" - to spread the number of cases out over months rather than weeks so the hospitals can keep up. So go fishing, go shooting.. avoid folks for a while. This isn't a hardship for folks like us. Don't forget the ones that get "whacked" before the medical examiner gets a "suggestion" to report it as a case of virus.. CV is just a rug to sweep things under..
-OMotS
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Quote: ( unnamed) "been prtty deep in the cooler todaay "
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Arguing things that will all be settled soon. In three weeks we will know is this was one of the greatest media hoaxes of all time it is we are genuinely screwed.
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Must be true I read it on the net
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Must be true I read it on the net 😃
Al
Spend your life wisely.
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7 percent....24,700 confirmed cases and 1800 deaths. Do the math. Spare me the hysteria. https://www.newsweek.com/newt-gingr...ica-must-act-now-act-big-opinion-1492270Italy has a unique vulnerability to coronavirus, because it has the second oldest-aged population in the world (only Japan has older citizens on average). This virus especially hits the elderly, and in Italy the average age of death is 81. The tragic experience of the Washington state nursing home simply reinforced the sense of vulnerability of older people.
So you are telling the world is coming to an end because a respiratory virus is more lethal to people over the age of 80? What next, you gonna tell me fire is hot? If you want to do a public service, please tell us why infants and children seem NOT to be getting the virus or exhibiting symptoms? Other viral pandemics were hard on that age group too. You want to look up what the mortality rate on people OVER 80 was that contract H1N1 a few years ago? To do that, you have to take the young out of the equation. Go ahead, do that math and get back to us. Watch out don’t make too much sense to folks on here. Hell 11 years ago most didn’t say chit about h1n1, but right now they are running yelling sky is falling god help us..
Then STFU. The rest of your statement is superflous bullshit with no real bearing on this discussion other than to massage your own ego. Suckin' on my titties like you wanted me.
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Must not be too bad if they are all so old........ Exactly... but do not give them the easy answers, let them work on all the readily available facts. Yup. Screw all the old people. That’s like 2/3rds of the membership on this forum. Tell your families you love them, gents. I’m not hysterical. I’m not sticking my head in the sand either. This isn’t the end of the world. Nobody said that. But hey, a few hundred thousand dead Americans because a bunch of people had the awe screw it mentality. Not to mention the affect this will have on our economy. Good thinking, gents. I can see a lot of you put a lot of thought and effort into this.
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Its out of control here now. People dont start dying usually until 2-4 weeks after they get it. Hangon! And usually not until 80 years after they were born.
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It's confirmed, I read it twice on the internet. I am in the over-hyped crowd, am I right? Ask again in a few weeks.
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I saw on facebook where someone had posted that they survived 10 end of the world events already.
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Hatari that’s enough of that common sense crap... Pun very much intended.
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The skepticism here would be amusing if if weren’t so scary. This is serious. The Chinese apparently have slowed it down, but they essentially closed down a city of 10-12 million or so to do it. You really think that authoritarian government did that over the common cold? You assume anything coming out of a communists country to be the truth?
Son of a liberal: " What did you do in the War On Terror, Daddy?"
Liberal father: " I fought the Americans, along with all the other liberals."
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Case fatality rate is a calculated by # dead/ # diagnosed with disease.
That is what is published for more hype.
Morbidity = number in the population that shows signs of sickness...........obviously many of these are ignored.
Infection rate= number of people who have had the disease agent replicate in their body to the point they Sero convert.....
We don't even have a serology test designed.
Mortality rate= number in the population that perishes from the infectious agent.
They don't have a clue.......ship of fools.
They all know it is a mild infectious agent that " culls " the infirm and greed made them press on ........being greedy.......
Until their grandma or their constituents grandma became at risk.
Putin got it right.....close the freakin borders.....close em now!
What a joke........please pretend YOU are infected and act appropriately.
Thanks.
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