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A good principle to guide me through life: “This is all I have come to expect, standard lackluster performance. Trust nothing, believe no one and realize it will only get worse…”
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Crickets now.
Slaves get what they need. Free men get what they want. Rehabilitation is way overrated. Orwell wasn't wrong. GOA member disappointed NRA member 24HCF SEARCH
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I'm just glad he managed to post something of value.
Trump being classless,tasteless and clueless as usual. Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit. My young wife decided to play the field and had moved several dudes into my house
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I'm just glad he managed to post something of value. Of course, like the 45 is a MUCH better choice for personal defense than a 9mm, not t mention non-striker fired pistols are easier to shoot accurately than striker fired. Let me know if you need anything else, but folks need to know their limitations....
Last edited by jorgeI; 05/15/20.
A good principle to guide me through life: “This is all I have come to expect, standard lackluster performance. Trust nothing, believe no one and realize it will only get worse…”
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I love watching people that can't shoot blame the gun in their hand.
Trump being classless,tasteless and clueless as usual. Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit. My young wife decided to play the field and had moved several dudes into my house
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The educated folk that join organization mentioned in original post need something effective and not unpleasant to shoot, therefore 9x19 was selected. This goes back to why the British supplied their officers with small break-open revolvers chambered for the .38 Smith & Wesson cartridge. These are not the type of people that have experience shooting handguns nor do they enjoy the activity when exposed to it. This is where 9x19 with modern ammo truly shines. I like the caliber because it can be utilized in really small handguns whereas the .45ACP can not. I can not remember the name of the company that once made real small .45ACP and these are real expensive to buy when found on second-hand market. One drawback is that you have to work the slide after every shot, something had to be dispensed with to put this round into such small package.
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The educated folk that join organization mentioned in original post need something effective and not unpleasant to shoot, therefore 9x19 was selected. This goes back to why the British supplied their officers with small break-open revolvers chambered for the .38 Smith & Wesson cartridge. These are not the type of people that have experience shooting handguns nor do they enjoy the activity when exposed to it. This is where 9x19 with modern ammo truly shines. I like the caliber because it can be utilized in really small handguns whereas the .45ACP can not. I can not remember the name of the company that once made real small .45ACP and these are real expensive to buy when found on second-hand market. One drawback is that you have to work the slide after every shot, something had to be dispensed with to put this round into such small package. Oh yay. Another babbling dumb fugk.
Trump being classless,tasteless and clueless as usual. Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit. My young wife decided to play the field and had moved several dudes into my house
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The educated folk that join organization mentioned in original post need something effective and not unpleasant to shoot, therefore 9x19 was selected. This goes back to why the British supplied their officers with small break-open revolvers chambered for the .38 Smith & Wesson cartridge. These are not the type of people that have experience shooting handguns nor do they enjoy the activity when exposed to it. This is where 9x19 with modern ammo truly shines. I like the caliber because it can be utilized in really small handguns whereas the .45ACP can not. I can not remember the name of the company that once made real small .45ACP and these are real expensive to buy when found on second-hand market. One drawback is that you have to work the slide after every shot, something had to be dispensed with to put this round into such small package. I guess you never heard of the 455 Webley the military sidearm for 75 years
I got banned on another web site for a debate that happened on this site. That's a first
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They had both pistol and revolver .455s. Sometimes one sees Webley, S&W revolvers plus 1911s chambered for those cartridges. The American revolvers made for Canadians can still be had for reasonable prices. Personally I think those big DA/SA Colt revolvers in .45LC are the coolest. These were the most powerful handguns used by American military, if I remember correctly 255gr lead slugs at about 950fps.
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They had both pistol and revolver .455s. Sometimes one sees Webley, S&W revolvers plus 1911s chambered for those cartridges. The American revolvers made for Canadians can still be had for reasonable prices. Personally I think those big DA/SA Colt revolvers in .45LC are the coolest. These were the most powerful handguns used by American military, if I remember correctly 255gr lead slugs at about 950fps. Just STFU.
Trump being classless,tasteless and clueless as usual. Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit. My young wife decided to play the field and had moved several dudes into my house
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They had both pistol and revolver .455s. Sometimes one sees Webley, S&W revolvers plus 1911s chambered for those cartridges. The American revolvers made for Canadians can still be had for reasonable prices. Personally I think those big DA/SA Colt revolvers in .45LC are the coolest. These were the most powerful handguns used by American military, if I remember correctly 255gr lead slugs at about 950fps. The Walker Colt is the most powerful handgun used by the American military.
I got banned on another web site for a debate that happened on this site. That's a first
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I'm not a pistolero and will never claim to be. But in my humble opinion anyone who shoots ONLY 9mm is a pussy. Sorry to offend the sensitive, but the wine is talking. You should stay away from wine.
"The number one problem with America is, a whole lot of people need shot, and nobody is shooting them." -Master Chief Hershel Davis
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I'm not a pistolero and will never claim to be. But in my humble opinion anyone who shoots ONLY 9mm is a pussy. Sorry to offend the sensitive, but the wine is talking. You should stay away from wine. I guess you could catch a 9mm with your pussy then...Cool! 😎
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Who owns this ^^^^^^ I’m Jealous. 😎
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I'm not a pistolero and will never claim to be. But in my humble opinion anyone who shoots ONLY 9mm is a pussy. Sorry to offend the sensitive, but the wine is talking. What a waste of a post.
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It's easy to score 240 (max) on a B-21 target. That being said, one can tell the difference on how well you shoot by merely looking at group size.
You can determine that from shooting a cardboard fugking box. Of course you can and regardless, your groups will be larger shooting an out of the box glock.. I shoot a gen 3 glock 17 with WW white box 115 grain bullets fair at 15 yards or so, I shoot an out of the box 1911 with similar ammo about the same, either gun will work for me. OTOH I am not a crack shot like most here, however I can tell the difference in how a Glock or 1911 shoots with different ammunition, so I am not a novice either. I like MontanaMan's idea of a cocked and locked SAO sig, but I am kind of done with 1911's, they seem to work just fine until they don't. OTOH while not the most accurate gun you can buy, in God knows how many Glock's or how many thousands or rounds I have only had a single one of them exhibit a problem a gun I bought used that shot very well but failed to extract or something I forget. Lately SIG is doing very well, the P365, P320 compact carry. I am also very interested in the compact legion SAO.
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Not a thing wrong with the 2.0 S&W Compact...........feels great in hand, nice trigger, reliable as heck............and since they are not as popular, less expensive, with Steel sights to boot............Glock could improve their ergos, trigger, and grip texture......yes they are reliable as well. I'm sure a 2.0 will shoot as good if not better than the Glock.
Let the flames begin.....
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Big advantage of Glock is out of the box reliability w/o shooting in period and easy gun maintenance. Colt offers military version of 1911 (M45A1) to the public. This is probably reliable pistol, but if you shoot one a lot and need spare dual recoil spring replacement you're screwed because Colt does not offer replacement to the public. WTF? I guess one sends it to them for service ie spring replacement?
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Big advantage of Glock is out of the box reliability w/o shooting in period and easy gun maintenance. Most modern design striker fired handguns from the major high quality manufacturers offer the same advantages. This is not new.
Every normal man must be tempted, at times, to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats.
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Not a thing wrong with the 2.0 S&W Compact...........feels great in hand, nice trigger, reliable as heck............and since they are not as popular, less expensive, with Steel sights to boot............Glock could improve their ergos, trigger, and grip texture......yes they are reliable as well. I'm sure a 2.0 will shoot as good if not better than the Glock.
Let the flames begin..... I'm with you. My 2.0 Compact edged out my G19.
Every normal man must be tempted, at times, to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats.
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