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The guy has a few entertaining and informative videos, but those are mostly his older stuff. He's starting to get long winded, whiny, and defensive about viewer comments. The guy needs to trip his give-a-[bleep] and tell what he knows.

That's been my observation, as well.

My agency has not even considered switching back to the 9mm. We are staying with the G22, 40 cal, Federal 180gr HST. Some of our neighboring agencies have switched over. The largest of them did so after a huge mistake of trying to adopt FN 40 cal pistols from Sig's 40 cal. It was a nightmare for them. No 9mm is in out immediate future.

The main reason the FBI switched back to the 9mm is an easy one to understand: $$$. The dollar amount for ammunition per Agent has been EXACTLY the same since 1998. Back then ammo was plentiful. Every quarterly qualification everyone would shoot up the duty ammo they had acquired the quarter before and then would be issued fresh duty ammo. Fast forward decades, the dollar amount from 1998 is the same, but ammo prices have skyrocketed. Now the first thing a shooter does is download all service ammo and save it.

The cost of ammo was the driving reason for the switch. Additional "benefits"? Marginal shooters of .40 S&W or .45 ACP can now pass the qualification course with a 9mm. Saves time and money because a trainee does not have to be recycled for remedial shooting so graduates on time, fewer lost trainees due to failure to qualify so the cost of background checks and hiring is saved, etc. Simple.

Yep. If there's one thing that I know, it's that the Federal Government is always looking to be more frugal with our money. That has to be the explanation.

cs2blue,

After my agency said that we're going to the 9 but was still deciding between a Glock or a Sig, I bitched a little because no consideration was apparently given to any other makes, even for personal purchase. If you don't mind, what FN was tried and what were the problems?

When I came to my present agency in 2003, we were using .357 Sigs. I bitched then when we went to .40s, but 9s??? The horror.

Thanks.

That's odd because CBP quals with duty ammo. They don't have anything like FMJ range ammo.

Where are you getting this information?

Incorrecto.

My agency qualed with duty ammo, and ball. Took the highest of two scores, and replaced duty ammo with fresh.

Stray, it was the FNS 40 cal, they had a mess of issues with them. Such as, front sights detaching from the slide, accidental discharges (holster related), excessive slide temps during testing( against of the weapons) finish flaking off. functioning was poor, and a high incidence of internal parts breakage. To the tune of 1.4 million $. Last and the worst issue. One of their firearms instructors and head of the testing staff was a competitive shooter factory sponsored by who............................................................................................................. FN Herstal of course!!! What a cluster!!!!. Now they are carrying glock 17, 9mms. 147gr. go figure, Outside of the skewed test results where FN was the winner????. A reevaluation of the testing data revealed that glock had actually come out as the winner. 2 years worth of headaches and money wasted. All because of one guy!

Wrong. I work at a range where the local CBP officers qual and am very good friends with the FIs.

Or a well trained shooter. Lots of incidents out there of well aimed, precise fire neutralized opponents. Sgt Alvin C York with one of those "archaic" 1911s comes to mind, where he engaged and neutralized four charging Germans (with rifles and fixed bayonets) and close range and NOWHERE was I insinuating I could have done better, but I get it this is as you say the internet where taking swipes at posters is "de rigeur". Now maintaining focus whilst being "locked on" by AAA radar and pressing, well I can relate to that...
A few here "get it". and incidentally, there WERE MP-5s in the stakeout, but those agents were out of position and did not participate...

A 124 grain XTP JHP will penetrated through 2 55 gallon drums and into the third denting the offside. This only demonstrates the ability to penetrate the steel drums with plenty of stream, nothing correltes to shooting living flesh by shooting steel

OFO is one portion of CBP.

CBP purchases FMJ ammo. They have for years.

CBP is not the FBI. One is DHS, the other is DOJ.

Correct, but it is, by far, the largest division. We get US Customs and Air & Marine and the local BP wants to use our range again. They used to, but stopped. Customs is on our range 10-5, 3 days a week.

I am aware of that. I just assumed (I know, I know :)) that the FBI would do that also. The only unit I know of that uses practice ammo is are the Fidos (FFDO) and they don't really count.

I believe you.

But CBP buys and uses practice ammo.

They have for years.

Hey stay at home dad, go grocery shopping!