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Jim, welfare and abortion are both from the same people with the same agenda. And big families are not the problem. Welfare trash having kids to get more money is a problem, easily solved by temporary sterilization as a condition of assistance. Also, decrease the attraction of welfare by making the recipient provide a return of value to the community, such as farming them out to the road department or local farmers to work every day as long as they are on the dole. Make it a last resort, and remove the attraction to create children seen as nothing more than a meal ticket.

We need to have big families, to maintain a viable society. We need to stop immigration completely as well, at least until we sort out our own demographic issues. People who exhibit serious personality and mental issues should be prevented from procreating. We need to streamline the process for financially solvent and upstanding married couples to adopt American children, rather than forcing those who want to adopt to look at Africa and Asia for that. It is prohibitively expensive and very slow to adopt an American child in most cases, which send folks looking overseas for more economical and assured results for their efforts. That needs to stop.

Grown women who get pregnant should be encouraged to keep their child, and helped with finding adoptive parents if that is needed. Young girls who get pregnant are still the responsibility of their parents, and the child should be raised by the family or placed for adoption. If a thirteen year old girl is getting pregnant, it shows a serious lack of attention by the parents in the vast majority of cases, which in no way justifies the murder of an innocent child to prevent the family from being inconvenienced.

Make people live with the consequences of their actions or lack thereof, and personal responsibility will make a comeback. My girls understood early on that if they got pregnant, childhood was over, and they would be expected to be a mother and provider to that child. They knew that I was not going to coddle them and blame it all on the father, and life would get real tough, real quick. They are in their twenties now, and neither has a child yet. Both value children enough that, if they got pregnant, abortion would not be an option. We have to be responsible, and like everything else we teach them, we have to pass on morals and responsibility to our children. And as a society, we have to create options for children who are the product of irresponsibility that do not include killing them before they ever have a chance at life. It may not be pretty always in the interim, but it needs to happen if we are to remain a viable society. A society that kills its children is destined for the dustbin of history.

I personally don't like abortion, but it is a medical issue between a woman and her doctor. There are many reasons why a woman wants an abortion, ranging from convenience to saving her life and all degrees in between. It is not my place to question her motives nor her doctor's.

I do find it interesting that many here on the 'fire rail at any any suggestion of government intervention into THEIR own person lives, but favor governmental intervention into this medical issue.

No one would sacrifice a minute to make those changes.

Jim, welfare and abortion are both from the same people with the same agenda. And big families are not the problem. Welfare trash having kids to get more money is a problem, easily solved by temporary sterilization as a condition of assistance. Also, decrease the attraction of welfare by making the recipient provide a return of value to the community, such as farming them out to the road department or local farmers to work every day as long as they are on the dole. Make it a last resort, and remove the attraction to create children seen as nothing more than a meal ticket.

We need to have big families, to maintain a viable society. We need to stop immigration completely as well, at least until we sort out our own demographic issues. People who exhibit serious personality and mental issues should be prevented from procreating. We need to streamline the process for financially solvent and upstanding married couples to adopt American children, rather than forcing those who want to adopt to look at Africa and Asia for that. It is prohibitively expensive and very slow to adopt an American child in most cases, which send folks looking overseas for more economical and assured results for their efforts. That needs to stop.

Grown women who get pregnant should be encouraged to keep their child, and helped with finding adoptive parents if that is needed. Young girls who get pregnant are still the responsibility of their parents, and the child should be raised by the family or placed for adoption. If a thirteen year old girl is getting pregnant, it shows a serious lack of attention by the parents in the vast majority of cases, which in no way justifies the murder of an innocent child to prevent the family from being inconvenienced.

Make people live with the consequences of their actions or lack thereof, and personal responsibility will make a comeback. My girls understood early on that if they got pregnant, childhood was over, and they would be expected to be a mother and provider to that child. They knew that I was not going to coddle them and blame it all on the father, and life would get real tough, real quick. They are in their twenties now, and neither has a child yet. Both value children enough that, if they got pregnant, abortion would not be an option. We have to be responsible, and like everything else we teach them, we have to pass on morals and responsibility to our children. And as a society, we have to create options for children who are the product of irresponsibility that do not include killing them before they ever have a chance at life. It may not be pretty always in the interim, but it needs to happen if we are to remain a viable society. A society that kills its children is destined for the dustbin of history.

More than a few innocent people have been unjustly murdered by the death penalty. Life and death can require some difficult choices. When a 14 year old boy knocks up a 13 year old girl I'm sure glad there's other options than having a child.

Pretty much what I figured the replies would be. Bunch of talk til the heavy lifting starts.

More than a few innocent people have been unjustly murdered by the death penalty. Life and death can require some difficult choices. When a 14 year old boy knocks up a 13 year old girl I'm sure glad there's other options than having a child.

I personally don't like abortion, but it is a medical issue between a woman and her doctor. There are many reasons why a woman wants an abortion, ranging from convenience to saving her life and all degrees in between. It is not my place to question her motives nor her doctor's.

I do find it interesting that many here on the 'fire rail at any any suggestion of government intervention into THEIR own person lives, but favor governmental intervention into this medical issue.

A “medical issue “, you say ?

Its the democrats supporting these deaths , of their own voters, not only is it sick, but it makes no sense !

On the other hand, who are you to regulate morality. If you believe something, that's fine, it's your business. But who are you to impose your moral beliefs or regulate another persons beliefs?