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All of these arguments stem from whether you believe the unborn child is a human being. If you believe it is, as many of us do, abortion is murder of an innocent human being, plain and simple. If you don't believe it is a human, I guess you can rationalize any argument you want. Yep that pretty much sums it up. Actually, what you presuppose is that killing humans is wrong. Only the "innocent" ones.
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All of these arguments stem from whether you believe the unborn child is a human being. If you believe it is, as many of us do, abortion is murder of an innocent human being, plain and simple. If you don't believe it is a human, I guess you can rationalize any argument you want. Yep that pretty much sums it up. Actually, what you presuppose is that killing humans is wrong. Only the "innocent" ones. Or possibly the ones standing in the wrong spot when we seek vengeance against our enemies. Those kids are ok to kill if it's in the name of patriotism. In that case it's "sad" or "unfortunate" but necessary.
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If circumstances ever matter, these sorts of decisions might well fall into the realm of personal choice, personal responsibility, and personal freedom. Freedom is only achieved when individuals take responsibility for their choices. Individual liberty isn’t just a right, but an obligation. Don't tell Flave, but you're still the smartest guy on here I only wish I was the funniest. You came in a close second?
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All of these arguments stem from whether you believe the unborn child is a human being. If you believe it is, as many of us do, abortion is murder of an innocent human being, plain and simple. If you don't believe it is a human, I guess you can rationalize any argument you want. Yep that pretty much sums it up. Actually, what you presuppose is that killing humans is wrong. Killing and murder are two different things.
"Hey jackass, get your government off my freedom."
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https://abort73.com/abortion_facts/us_abortion_statistics/
WHY DO ABORTIONS OCCUR?
In 2004, the Guttmacher Institute anonymously surveyed 1,209 post-abortive women from nine different abortion clinics across the country. Of the women surveyed, 957 provided a main reason for having an abortion. This table lists each reason and the percentage of respondents who chose it.
Percentage Reason
<0.5% Victim of rape
3% Fetal health problems
4% Physical health problems
4% Would interfere with education or career
7% Not mature enough to raise a child
8% Don't want to be a single mother
19% Done having children
23% Can't afford a baby
25% Not ready for a child
6% Other
The state of Florida records a reason for every abortion that occurs within its borders each year. In 2018, there were 70,083 abortions in Florida. This table lists each reason and the percentage of abortions that occurred because of it.
Percentage Reason
.01% The pregnancy resulted from an incestuous relationship
.14% The woman was raped
.27% The woman's life was endangered by the pregnancy
1.0% There was a serious fetal abnormality
1.48% The woman's physical health was threatened by the pregnancy
1.67% The woman's psychological health was threatened by the pregnancy
20.0% The woman aborted for social or economic reasons
75.4% No reason (elective)
Interesting, those two synopses don't exactly concur. Also interesting. I wonder how many of the 75.4% of the "No reason" in Florida declined to list and actual reason due to privacy concerns and such. It's said that many rapes are unreported, therefor a woman wishing an abortion that never reported the rape might not wish to give that as a reason when required to answer in order to receive the procedure? I can think of other reasons not to answer that inquiry..........such as "it's none of your business"
The desert is a true treasure for him who seeks refuge from men and the evil of men.
In it is contentment
In it is death and all you seek
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You're a freaking monster! If you say so. My three kids and ten grandkids think otherwise. I value their opinions much more than yours. Okay, I have reconsidered. I got a vasectomy Dec 31, of 1983. I prevented untold number of babies being born, just so I could engage in recreational intercourse with my wife in an unlimited manner and have no more concerns over her becoming pregnant. Perhaps, I am a monster.
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The sex of a human "fetus" can be determined via blood test after 9 weeks and ultra sound at 12 weeks
Do you use the term your "fetus" in conversation with an expectant friend or family member's wanted pregnancy?
The sex of the "fetus" can be determined before conception by a simple examination of the sperm cell selected to do the fertilization. The sex of the single cell fertilized egg can be determined immediately after conception simply by examination for a Y chromosome. That does not impart a soul to either the single cell fertilized egg nor the sperm. And yes, "fetus" is the proper term for late pregnancy. First there is a zygote, the germinal phase lasting about two weeks, until the zygote attaches to the uterine wall. Then a blastula. And then an embryo until about nine weeks after fertilization. And then it is a fetus until birth. So those using an IUD around the world are actually performing their own abortion two weeks after conception, once each month. I killed twenty-five apple trees last week without making a determination as to their sex. Dude, that's horrible Here I am, trying hard and spending good money to get an orchard growing and you kill more trees than I have had a chance to plant in almost 4 years here. I might have adopted them, but the regulations might have prevented it. We have "bug stations" on our highways coming in from our borders with other States. I can see the look on their faces when I tell them what I've got on the truck.
The desert is a true treasure for him who seeks refuge from men and the evil of men.
In it is contentment
In it is death and all you seek
(Quoted from "The Bleeding of the Stone" Ibrahim Al-Koni)
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Dude, that's horrible
Here I am, trying hard and spending good money to get an orchard growing and you kill more trees than I have had a chance to plant in almost 4 years here.
I might have adopted them, but the regulations might have prevented it. We have "bug stations" on our highways coming in from our borders with other States. I can see the look on their faces when I tell them what I've got on the truck.
Circumstances...
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You're a freaking monster! If you say so. My three kids and ten grandkids think otherwise. I value their opinions much more than yours. Okay, I have reconsidered. I got a vasectomy Dec 31, of 1983. I prevented untold number of babies being born, just so I could engage in recreational intercourse with my wife in an unlimited manner and have no more concerns over her becoming pregnant. Perhaps, I am a monster. You can't unjustly kill what doesn't exist. You're okay 
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If circumstances ever matter, these sorts of decisions might well fall into the realm of personal choice, personal responsibility, and personal freedom. Freedom is only achieved when individuals take responsibility for their choices. Individual liberty isn’t just a right, but an obligation. Don't tell Flave, but you're still the smartest guy on here I only wish I was the funniest. You came in a close second? It wasn't close.
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Killing and murder are two different things.
Why’d you stop? You have the beginnings of what could be a spectacular circular argument.
If you put Taco Bell sauce in your ramen noodles it tastes just like poverty
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It wasn't close or second. ^^^THIS^^^
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Killing and murder are two different things.
Why’d you stop? You have the beginnings of what could be a spectacular circular argument. More information wasn't necessary. Killing and murder are in fact different things.
"Hey jackass, get your government off my freedom."
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It wasn't close or second. ^^^THIS^^^ Nyet.
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Killing and murder are two different things.
Why’d you stop? You have the beginnings of what could be a spectacular circular argument. More information wasn't necessary. Killing and murder are in fact different things. I wish you'd answer my question. If you're wife was pregnant and needed a medical procedure, that would kill the unborn, first trimester child, would you let her die? If your daughter was raped, would you tell her to birth and raise the child?
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It wasn't close or second. ^^^THIS^^^ Nyet. Nyet? Can you see Russia from your porch too?
The desert is a true treasure for him who seeks refuge from men and the evil of men.
In it is contentment
In it is death and all you seek
(Quoted from "The Bleeding of the Stone" Ibrahim Al-Koni)
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Killing and murder are two different things.
Why’d you stop? You have the beginnings of what could be a spectacular circular argument. More information wasn't necessary. Killing and murder are in fact different things. I wish you'd answer my question. If you're wife was pregnant and needed a medical procedure, that would kill the unborn, first trimester child, would you let her die? If your daughter was raped, would you tell her to birth and raise the child? I thought you said that was a decision for the wife or daughter? Now it is your right to know also? Conflicting moral viewpoints, interesting.
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It wasn't close or second. ^^^THIS^^^ Nyet. Nyet? Can you see Russia from your porch too? Blyat!
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Killing and murder are two different things.
Why’d you stop? You have the beginnings of what could be a spectacular circular argument. More information wasn't necessary. Killing and murder are in fact different things. I wish you'd answer my question. If you're wife was pregnant and needed a medical procedure, that would kill the unborn, first trimester child, would you let her die? If your daughter was raped, would you tell her to birth and raise the child? I thought you said that was a decision for the wife or daughter? Now it is your right to know also? Conflicting moral viewpoints, interesting. One of the dumbest viewpoints put forth on this thread so far. 2+2=squirrel? I simply want to know if it's a good vs. evil with no inbetween, or if their are some exceptions to the rule.
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Killing and murder are two different things.
Why’d you stop? You have the beginnings of what could be a spectacular circular argument. More information wasn't necessary. Killing and murder are in fact different things. I wish you'd answer my question. If you're wife was pregnant and needed a medical procedure, that would kill the unborn, first trimester child, would you let her die? If your daughter was raped, would you tell her to birth and raise the child? I thought you said that was a decision for the wife or daughter? Now it is your right to know also? Conflicting moral viewpoints, interesting. One of the dumbest viewpoints put forth on this thread so far. 2+2=squirrel? In your left minded viewpoint anyway. Great second grade comeback anyway.
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