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From The Federalist. This is not going to end well or end soon; there are some significant changes coming, one way or another. Not About Reform Anymore, It's About RevolutionMM
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This is the article MontanaMan referenced
These rioters aren’t Martin Luther King Jr. or even Malcolm X. They are Alex and his droogs from “A Clockwork Orange” out for a night on the town, albeit with less style and a duller patois. Violence is the point.
Protests responding to the cruel police killing of George Floyd have been turned into nationwide riots and looting. This is not about Floyd anymore. His killing was universally condemned, the cops involved were fired, and homicide charges have been brought against the officer who knelt on Floyd’s neck. More should be done, and what has been done could have been done sooner, but folks are not looting the Nike store in downtown Chicago for greater justice. They just want to smash things and take stuff.
The very real problems of police misconduct and racial injustice have been buried under rubble and broken glass, then obscured in a haze of smoke and tear gas. Progress was possible— in his last State of the Union address, our bombastic Republican president was boasting about criminal justice reform — but that requires basic civil order. The problem with “no justice, no peace” is that although the absence of justice will indeed corrode peace, without peace there is no possibility of justice.
Meet the Revolutionaries As the violent destruction escalated, much of the press spun conspiracy theories about white supremacist agitators and, of course, Russia. That was nonsense. The outside agitators are the same (mostly local) anarchist goons and Antifa thugs we have watched for years. The white privilege on display here is on the left, where radical whites play at revolution, often to the detriment of poor minorities. The radicals don’t care, because they want revolution, not reform. They want more violence, not less. They want to burn it down, regardless of whether “it” is a police station, an upscale shop, or a minority neighborhood.
Some of those taking to the streets want to protest peacefully, some are determined to incite violence and destruction, and others are somewhere in between. But in a crowd, these categories are fluid, and despite efforts by genuine protesters to maintain order in their ranks, the tendency is toward escalation, especially with the excitement of a righteous cause after weeks of being in lockdown. Mob violence, destruction, and theft are thrilling, especially after being stuck mostly alone and indoors, and Ivy League corporate lawyers can enjoy it just as much as the urban proletariat.
Never before has rioting been so recorded (often by the rioters themselves), and what the videos show is not so much the wretched of the earth rising up against their oppressors as people relieving their boredom through the rush of violence and theft.
Even the self-proclaimed revolutionaries are thrill-seekers. Most are half-cosplaying at revolution, indulging in enough street violence to be thrilling, but not enough to really risk themselves. The young lady in New York who despicably hurled a Molotov cocktail at a cop car with the officers still inside is the exception for treating this like a real life-or-death uprising, rather than a chance to collect some free swag.
Serious attacks on police seem to be increasing, but most of the rioters are not interested in a genuine insurrection against armed agents of the state. They even get indignant when police or citizens defending themselves push back. Real revolutionaries don’t whine about how unfair it is when their enemies and victims retaliate. But the rioters we see expect the law to protect them, even as they wage war on it. They believe themselves entitled to safety, even as they bring anarchy into our cities.
In this, the rioters are fundamentally affirming the authorities. Yes, they denounce them as corrupt, racist, and so on, but they leave the burden of change on them. The rioters are not trying to establish alternative powers and institutions that would assert sovereignty. They may fantasize about a socialist revolution, but they have no plans for seizing power and governing beyond a vague hope that it might happen if they make things bad enough now.
Violence Is the End Goal This sterile destruction is intrinsic to rioting, which by nature is a repudiation of politics. It abandons reasoned persuasion, or even targeted factional violence, in favor of generalized destruction that is incapable of establishing anything, even a bad regime (though that may follow when the public demands order at any cost). The rioters are not trying to take over, they just want to pillage, burn, and then go home.
After all, why should they bother to actually smash the system, as opposed to just some windows, when the system wants to be loved by them? Elite institutions, from universities to big corporations, will respond to these riots with more PC tokenism and HR diversity blather.
The legacy media and the Democratic Party have likewise struggled to muster the moral firmness to condemn the rioters. The establishment left has an immune disorder: Its leaders are incapable of standing against radicals who use the rhetoric of social justice as a cover for evil deeds. Thus, many Democratic mayors and governors have let their cities be destroyed, and Democratic leaders have justified violence and looting as conducive to the cause of racial justice.
They are wrong. This violence is not done for justice, and it will not produce any. For most of the rioters, it is just an excuse, and a thin one at that, for a few nights of destruction and looting.
Even the ideologues do not really believe the riots will accomplish anything. Rather, they have abandoned any real hope that injustice might be remedied — note how vague they are about the actual details of their new order once they burn the existing one down.
In their ideological catechism, the problem of sin persists without any hope for overcoming it. Without hope and without love, violence becomes an end in itself. There is only power and exploitation and struggle, world without end, amen.
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Actually it’s neither.
It’s about taking Trump down and since day one of his inauguration.
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half-cosplaying at revolution
"What I was saying is if my kin folk 400 years ago had guns, we wouldn�t be having this conversation. I�m in favor of guns and encourage everyone I know to have them because the last time we didn�t have them we were abused.� Rep.Mitchell.
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The country was shocked on December 7 1941, then again on 9/11 and now by what was considered a fringe group " Antifa". These people are revolutionaries being used by the extreme left to create chaos in our cities and we didn't even see them coming. My question is "WHY"
Their goal is to bring down TRUMP....these people must be eliminated quickly and harshly otherwise they will return by election day.
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The country was shocked on December 7 1941, then again on 9/11 and now by what was considered a fringe group " Antifa". These people are revolutionaries being used by the extreme left to create chaos in our cities and we didn't even see them coming. My question is "WHY"
Their goal is to bring down TRUMP....these people must be eliminated quickly and harshly otherwise they will return by election day. How would you “eliminate “ them, Doc ?
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The country was shocked on December 7 1941, then again on 9/11 and now by what was considered a fringe group " Antifa". These people are revolutionaries being used by the extreme left to create chaos in our cities and we didn't even see them coming. My question is "WHY"
Their goal is to bring down TRUMP....these people must be eliminated quickly and harshly otherwise they will return by election day. They are not being used by the extreme left. They ARE the extreme left. Seven years ago, when they called themselves Occupy Wall Street I went to their meetings. They openly debated if THEY were the Vanguard whom Marx wrote about, who would start the revolution and bring about the Utopian Marxist Society or not. This is not about bringing down Trump. It's about creating a revolution. Trump just happens to be in their way.
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The country was shocked on December 7 1941, then again on 9/11 and now by what was considered a fringe group " Antifa". These people are revolutionaries being used by the extreme left to create chaos in our cities and we didn't even see them coming. My question is "WHY"
Their goal is to bring down TRUMP....these people must be eliminated quickly and harshly otherwise they will return by election day. How would you “eliminate “ them, Doc ? I do believe eliminating Antifa is a priority of the Justice Dept and Trump. Trump is pissed and it's pay back time.
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The country was shocked on December 7 1941, then again on 9/11 and now by what was considered a fringe group " Antifa". These people are revolutionaries being used by the extreme left to create chaos in our cities and we didn't even see them coming. My question is "WHY"
Their goal is to bring down TRUMP....these people must be eliminated quickly and harshly otherwise they will return by election day. They are not being used by the extreme left. They ARE the extreme left. Seven years ago, when they called themselves Occupy Wall Street I went to their meetings. They openly debated if THEY were the Vanguard whom Marx wrote about, who would start the revolution and bring about the Utopian Marxist Society or not. This is not about bringing down Trump. It's about creating a revolution. Trump just happens to be in their way. This. Exactly.
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The country was shocked on December 7 1941, then again on 9/11 and now by what was considered a fringe group " Antifa". These people are revolutionaries being used by the extreme left to create chaos in our cities and we didn't even see them coming. My question is "WHY"
Their goal is to bring down TRUMP....these people must be eliminated quickly and harshly otherwise they will return by election day. They are not being used by the extreme left. They ARE the extreme left. Seven years ago, when they called themselves Occupy Wall Street I went to their meetings. They openly debated if THEY were the Vanguard whom Marx wrote about, who would start the revolution and bring about the Utopian Marxist Society or not. This is not about bringing down Trump. It's about creating a revolution. Trump just happens to be in their way. First things first.
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...anyone else old enough to remember Nakita Khruzchev banging his shoe on the table?
its about control, its just a little more out in the open now.
if it were white people going psycho in the streets they'd be shooting them dead left ,right and center by now.
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Maybe it's just me. I reckon these protest folks will be really upset when we of the working class give them something to be upset about. I'm no professional soldier or tactician but I know how to make these thugs laydown and quit. Wonder if a couple dozen thousand of us shooterfolks would make a difference in these trying times?
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How do you like your 1960's Congo-style 'protests'?? Are you ready to flip from Rhodesia to Zimbabwe?? Hell, we didn't even get a chance to shoot it out with the Marxist scum like they did in Afreaka.
Every DemoFAG/Republican't congresscritter/governor/mayor WILL turn against White people (a majority in America) and turn America into just another failed republic because they are ALL afraid of being called Racist, the constitution be damned. It's coming, and nobody wants to see it.
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if it were white people going psycho in the streets they'd be shooting them dead left ,right and center by now.
Yep, with the full approval of the MSM talking heads.
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if it were white people going psycho in the streets they'd be shooting them dead left ,right and center by now.
Yep, with the full approval of the MSM talking heads. Ummm, aren't there a lot of white ANTIFA members going wild in the streets ? The few video clips I've watched there certainly appeared to be plenty of white protesters/rioters involved.
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if it were white people going psycho in the streets they'd be shooting them dead left ,right and center by now.
Yep, with the full approval of the MSM talking heads. Ummm, aren't there a lot of white ANTIFA members going wild in the streets ? The few video clips I've watched there certainly appeared to be plenty of white protesters/rioters involved. I see more whites than blacks.
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if it were white people going psycho in the streets they'd be shooting them dead left ,right and center by now.
Yep, with the full approval of the MSM talking heads. Ummm, aren't there a lot of white ANTIFA members going wild in the streets ? The few video clips I've watched there certainly appeared to be plenty of white protesters/rioters involved. Yes. ANTIFA is almost exclusively educated, never employed, white kids.
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