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Ballistic Tip is where I would be at those velocities.
More specific a 125 grain Ballistic Tip. Speaking of 125gr NBT, I shot them today with 36,37, and 38gr of CFE223. 37gr shot the best at 50yds and achieved 2600fps. I plan to tweak the load in smaller increments and double check the length. Accuracy was 3/4" for 3 shots. Thanks, Dinny
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Ballistic Tip is where I would be at those velocities.
More specific a 125 grain Ballistic Tip. I'll save those for my .30 Herrett . . . .
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Here's what QuickLOAD has to say about it. I wish QL featured all the available powders, but it is what it is: artridge : .30-30 Win. (SAAMI)
Bullet : .308, 130, Hornady SP SSPistol 3021
Useable Case Capaci: 36.397 grain H2O = 2.363 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 2.550 inch = 64.77 mm
Barrel Length : 22.0 inch = 558.8 mm
Predicted Data for Indicated Charges of the Following Powders.
Matching Maximum Pressure: 42000 psi, or 289 MPa
or a maximum loading ratio or filling of 100 %
These calculations refer to your specified settings in QuickLOAD 'Cartridge Dimensions' window.
C A U T I O N : any load listed can result in a powder charge that falls below minimum suggested
loads or exceeds maximum suggested loads as presented in current handloading manuals. Understand
that all of the listed powders can be unsuitable for the given combination of cartridge, bullet
and gun. Actual load order can vary, depending upon lot-to-lot powder and component variations.
USE ONLY FOR COMPARISON !
71 loads produced a Loading Ratio below user-defined minimum of 90%. These powders have been skipped.
Powder type Filling/Loading Ratio Charge Charge Vel. Prop.Burnt P max P muzz B_Time
% Grains Gramm fps % psi psi ms
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Winchester 748 98.4 35.5 2.30 2513 92.3 42000 5933 1.150
Hodgdon H322 98.6 32.1 2.08 2502 96.0 42000 5665 1.150
Hodgdon H335 93.2 34.1 2.21 2499 94.8 42000 5752 1.155
Alliant Reloder-10x *C 95.9 30.4 1.97 2497 98.8 42000 5498 1.168
Alliant AR-Comp *C *T 100.0 32.5 2.10 2493 99.2 38506 5665 1.183
Norma 200 *C 92.3 30.3 1.96 2486 99.3 42000 5407 1.187
Accurate 2015 99.2 31.8 2.06 2482 98.2 42000 5441 1.175
Vihtavuori N530 *C 98.5 33.2 2.15 2477 91.5 42000 5689 1.161
Lovex D073.5 97.4 35.1 2.27 2475 92.8 42000 5667 1.178
Accurate 2460 97.1 35.1 2.27 2475 92.8 42000 5667 1.178
Alliant Reloder-12 98.0 33.5 2.17 2471 96.0 42000 5488 1.160
Hodgdon BL-C2 100.0 36.6 2.37 2470 90.0 39657 5935 1.183
Ramshot Wild Boar 100.0 35.9 2.32 2461 88.4 41139 5749 1.170
Lovex D073.4 95.3 34.3 2.22 2460 92.6 42000 5543 1.176
IMR 8208 XBR 100.0 33.6 2.17 2459 91.1 41726 5580 1.167
IMR 4198 93.5 28.1 1.82 2455 99.3 42000 5048 1.153
Accurate 2520 100.0 35.4 2.29 2447 92.4 37722 5791 1.211
Accurate 2230 96.1 34.9 2.26 2446 90.3 42000 5501 1.175
Vihtavuori N130 *C 97.7 30.6 1.99 2438 98.5 42000 5127 1.174
Vihtavuori N120 *C 92.0 28.2 1.83 2435 100.0 42000 4678 1.170
Hodgdon H4895 100.0 33.6 2.17 2431 88.9 38690 5706 1.204
Ramshot X-Terminator *C 96.5 34.6 2.24 2425 88.8 42000 5435 1.177
Hodgdon Benchmark 97.8 32.3 2.09 2422 92.2 42000 5316 1.177
Ramshot TAC *C 99.1 35.9 2.32 2419 84.7 42000 5475 1.176
Norma 202 *C 100.0 33.0 2.14 2408 93.1 37069 5565 1.223
Accurate 2495 100.0 32.8 2.13 2403 95.7 33409 5842 1.295
Lovex S060 100.0 32.6 2.12 2391 88.9 41411 5224 1.186
Lovex D073.6 100.0 34.6 2.24 2386 91.1 34828 5648 1.254
Norma 201 *C 100.0 32.8 2.13 2369 89.4 36927 5460 1.249
IMR 3031 100.0 31.4 2.03 2368 93.6 33070 5624 1.269
IMR 4895 100.0 33.6 2.17 2356 85.6 34348 5617 1.262
Vihtavuori N133 *C 100.0 30.7 1.99 2353 96.3 37062 4997 1.227
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I ran this again. I recently refreshed my system with a completely new OS and reinstalled QL just the other day. The minimum loading ratio was at 90% by default and I did not realize this when I originally posted. So, this may look a little different. Cartridge : .30-30 Win. (SAAMI)
Bullet : .308, 130, Hornady SP SSPistol 3021
Useable Case Capaci: 36.397 grain H2O = 2.363 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 2.550 inch = 64.77 mm
Barrel Length : 22.0 inch = 558.8 mm
Predicted Data for Indicated Charges of the Following Powders.
Matching Maximum Pressure: 42000 psi, or 289 MPa
or a maximum loading ratio or filling of 100 %
These calculations refer to your specified settings in QuickLOAD 'Cartridge Dimensions' window.
C A U T I O N : any load listed can result in a powder charge that falls below minimum suggested
loads or exceeds maximum suggested loads as presented in current handloading manuals. Understand
that all of the listed powders can be unsuitable for the given combination of cartridge, bullet
and gun. Actual load order can vary, depending upon lot-to-lot powder and component variations.
USE ONLY FOR COMPARISON !
Powder type Filling/Loading Ratio Charge Charge Vel. Prop.Burnt P max P muzz B_Time
% Grains Gramm fps % psi psi ms
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Winchester 748 98.4 35.5 2.30 2513 92.3 42000 5934 1.150
Hodgdon H322 98.6 32.1 2.08 2502 96.0 42000 5665 1.150
Hodgdon H335 93.2 34.1 2.21 2499 94.8 42000 5752 1.155
Alliant Reloder-10x *C 95.9 30.4 1.97 2497 98.8 42000 5498 1.168
Alliant AR-Comp *C *T 100.0 32.5 2.10 2493 99.2 38507 5665 1.183
Norma 200 *C 92.3 30.3 1.96 2486 99.3 42000 5407 1.187
Accurate 2015 99.2 31.8 2.06 2482 98.2 42000 5441 1.175
Vihtavuori N530 *C 98.4 33.2 2.15 2477 91.5 42000 5689 1.161
Accurate 2460 97.1 35.1 2.27 2475 92.8 42000 5667 1.178
Lovex D073.5 97.4 35.1 2.27 2475 92.8 42000 5667 1.178
Alliant Reloder-12 98.0 33.5 2.17 2471 96.0 42000 5488 1.160
Hodgdon BL-C2 100.0 36.6 2.37 2470 90.0 39658 5935 1.183
Ramshot Wild Boar 100.0 35.9 2.32 2461 88.4 41139 5749 1.170
Lovex D073.4 95.3 34.3 2.22 2460 92.6 42000 5543 1.176
IMR 8208 XBR 100.0 33.6 2.17 2459 91.1 41727 5580 1.167
Winchester 296 69.4 25.0 1.62 2456 100.0 42000 4952 1.184
IMR 4198 93.5 28.1 1.82 2455 99.3 42000 5048 1.153
Accurate 2520 100.0 35.4 2.29 2447 92.4 37723 5791 1.211
Accurate 2230 96.1 34.9 2.26 2446 90.3 42000 5501 1.175
Alliant Reloder-7 88.6 28.8 1.86 2440 99.1 42000 5099 1.180
Vihtavuori N130 *C 97.7 30.6 1.99 2438 98.5 42000 5127 1.174
Vihtavuori N120 *C 92.0 28.2 1.83 2435 100.0 42000 4678 1.170
Hodgdon H4895 100.0 33.6 2.17 2431 88.9 38689 5706 1.204
Accurate 2200 89.2 30.4 1.97 2430 93.7 42000 5289 1.172
Ramshot X-Terminator *C 96.5 34.6 2.24 2425 88.8 42000 5435 1.177
Vihtavuori N125 *C 86.3 26.9 1.74 2425 100.0 42000 4651 1.175
Accurate 1680 81.3 28.5 1.84 2424 96.9 42000 5111 1.172
Lovex D060 77.9 24.4 1.58 2422 99.2 42000 4994 1.166
Accurate 5744 76.2 24.4 1.58 2422 99.2 42000 4994 1.166
Hodgdon Benchmark 97.8 32.3 2.09 2422 92.2 42000 5316 1.177
Ramshot TAC *C 99.1 35.9 2.32 2419 84.7 42000 5475 1.176
Hodgdon H4227 84.1 25.8 1.67 2416 100.0 42000 4691 1.165
Norma 202 *C 100.0 33.0 2.14 2408 93.1 37070 5565 1.223
Accurate 2495 100.0 32.8 2.13 2403 95.7 33410 5842 1.295
Lovex D063 73.8 25.8 1.67 2402 99.2 42000 4791 1.166
Hodgdon H4198 89.4 28.2 1.83 2398 95.5 42000 4949 1.171
Hodgdon H110 70.5 25.4 1.64 2396 100.0 42000 4532 1.194
IMR 4227 83.1 25.5 1.65 2395 99.8 42000 4643 1.168
Lovex S060 100.0 32.6 2.12 2391 88.9 41412 5224 1.186
Hodgdon Lil'Gun 69.6 24.3 1.57 2387 100.0 42000 4297 1.195
Lovex S053 84.4 25.4 1.64 2386 100.0 42000 4413 1.181
Lovex D073.6 100.0 34.6 2.24 2386 91.1 34829 5648 1.254
Norma 201 *C 100.0 32.8 2.13 2369 89.4 36928 5460 1.249
IMR 3031 100.0 31.4 2.03 2368 93.6 33070 5624 1.269
IMR 4895 100.0 33.6 2.17 2356 85.6 34348 5618 1.262
Vihtavuori N133 *C 100.0 30.7 1.99 2353 96.3 37063 4997 1.227
Vihtavuori N540 *C 100.0 33.9 2.20 2348 91.7 34644 5467 1.259
Vihtavuori N110 *C 78.9 22.5 1.45 2330 100.0 42000 3961 1.196
Accurate 4100 67.3 23.3 1.51 2325 100.0 42000 3990 1.194
Alliant 2400 65.2 20.8 1.35 2324 100.0 42000 3945 1.190
Alliant Reloder-15 *C 100.0 33.6 2.17 2323 84.1 33722 5450 1.277
Ramshot Big Game 100.0 35.7 2.32 2322 83.6 34629 5460 1.261
Hodgdon CFE223 *C 100.0 36.6 2.37 2314 81.3 34625 5488 1.264
Ramshot Enforcer 64.4 22.1 1.43 2311 100.0 42000 3885 1.200
Norma 203B *C 100.0 33.6 2.17 2311 84.7 32957 5444 1.289
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RR,
What does the *C and *T stand for?
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Seafire? A magazine in a single shot??????????? I think he meant well and probably copied and pasted his reply from another thread in the levergun area. With that being said, I'll take a friendly poke at him too. Afterall, he would expect it from me, a fellow combat medic. Pictured below is my 9 shot (single shot rifle) magazine.  Thanks, Dinny I shoulda been more specific....especially with old eagle eye Rustyzipper editing each poster.... I was referring that the bullet needed to be seated deep enough in the case to cycle thru a lever action... that was the COAL for it to fit the factory chamber of an NEF.... yeah, we are fellow Medics.. but I'm an OLD medic, who is getting a short memory and over look things that I use to not do in my younger years...one nice thing about getting older tho... you aren't as sensitive about such stuff when you get older, because your 'really give a schitt" factor starts declining rapidly at some point...so now that ya know that.... if ya try out that 220 gr RN load with W 748, get ready for the fact it recoils a lot more than you would usually expect a 30/30 to...
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RR,
What does the *C and *T stand for?
Thanks, Dinny Good question, Dinny. I've scanned over the user's manual and found no mention of it. My guess is that it has something to do with temperature sensitivity and temperature compensation.
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According to an internet post where some had spoken to Ed Dillon, *T= temp stability and *C = copper reducing. This doesn't seem 100% though. Big Game powder is known for being temp stable but it doesn't have a *T next to it, so who knows.
Thanks, Dinny
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I hope my poke didn't bother anybody. But I've been accused of being a bit abrasive. My sense of humor never fully developed. But working in a prison made me a bit thicker skinned. Be Well, Rustyzipper.
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Found in a post on Accurateshooter: I just called Neco in spoke with Ed DIllon. He advised me that the *C Designates powder that has copper removing additives, and the *T designates powder that has reduced sensitivity to temperature change. Maybe this is correct, but I would have expected to see *T next to more Hodgdon powders, such as H4227, H4198, H4895, H322, Retumbo, and maybe a few others. It could be that my understanding of Hodgdon's chemistry and application of "Extreme" technology is poor. I'm not too concerned, I just ignore it. edit: I was composing this post as you were posting your own comment...looks like we both found the same info.
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I hope my poke didn't bother anybody. But I've been accused of being a bit abrasive. My sense of humor never fully developed. But working in a prison made me a bit thicker skinned. Be Well, Rustyzipper. not hardly Rusty... this is the campfire... where some guys use GFY as a greeting... this ain't a place for anyone who is overly sensitive...
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LVR will get you 300 fps.
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Rusty your going to have to up your game to claim abrasive her on the 'fire.
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LVR will get you 300 fps. I'm not too sure of that. I'm getting just over 2600fps with CFE223 and sub-sub moa accuracy. Thanks, Dinny
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