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Originally Posted by jwp475
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^^^^ A far better choice than the 280ai.

I think Lipsey made a mistake. There is no IMHO lineage between the 280 (Ackley or the 7mm Remington Express version) and Africa. I think it's solely because the 280ai is a "hot round" right now, and they're trying to pull off a Reese's Peanut Butter Cup moment. Not working. Be like having a 6 Creedmoor African.


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Originally Posted by elkhunternm
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Doesn't Ruger make an action that a .300 H&H will fit in?

I ask cause Ruger made a .375 H&H and the .416 Rigby many moons ago.



Ken that was their "Express" model...a big ass heavy gun compared to a standard 77.

Tom,that's the one I was thinking of.





So, just trying to set the record straight.

The Express model was a 30-06 length action in standard chamberings (270, 30-06, 25-06), and the RSM (Rings, Sights, Magnum) was a 375 length magnum action rifle. Both had an integral sight rib.

And yes, the RSM was a big heavy gun, but the Express was not much heavier than the African.

Search "Ruger RSM" on Gunbroker to see a few.



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Thanks for the clarification WhelenAway. smile

WhelenAway,the RSM was also chambered for the .416 Rigby,which is a true magnum length action.


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Originally Posted by WhelenAway
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What do I know here? Not much, but the Ruger M77 Hawkeye African is just a platform that has lots of class with the barrel band sling stud, the black fore end tip and the 2 crossbolts, which are for aesthetics only. It has a 24" barrel one weight heavier than most Hawkeyes.
Just because it is called the African model, doesn't mean you can only use it in Africa.
The 280 AI is a classy cartridge and my current favorite in my Ruger No.1A.
For those suggesting those obscure English rounds, Ruger will not even consider chambering a firearm in a cartridge without SAAMI specs.



Agreed, and a select few gun buyers have ever heard of some of these rounds.

I can remember very well when 8x57 Remington 700 Classics being sold for $350 new in the box. And even at that price most were being purchased as donors.

For me, nostalgia only goes so far, and I am quickly disillusioned with low-pressure under-performing rounds.


I almost bought one to have reamed to 8mm-06, then I thought, "I can just shoot 200 gr bullets out of a .30-06 if I want to increase felt recoil and save money on gunsmithing, dies and new bullets"


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Almost bought one too, thinking the same way Sycamore.

In the end I decided 338 was the way to go if I wanted something bigger than 30.


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Originally Posted by WhelenAway
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Doesn't Ruger make an action that a .300 H&H will fit in?

I ask cause Ruger made a .375 H&H and the .416 Rigby many moons ago.



Ken that was their "Express" model...a big ass heavy gun compared to a standard 77.

Tom,that's the one I was thinking of.





So, just trying to set the record straight.

The Express model was a 30-06 length action in standard chamberings (270, 30-06, 25-06), and the RSM (Rings, Sights, Magnum) was a 375 length magnum action rifle. Both had an integral sight rib.

And yes, the RSM was a big heavy gun, but the Express was not much heavier than the African.

Search "Ruger RSM" on Gunbroker to see a few.




Additionally, the Express was chambered for standard length magnum cartridges (7mm Rem Mag, .300 Win Mag, 338 Win Mag).

Adding to the confusion is that the larger long action magnum rifles were called “Express Magnum”. These larger guns were also bedded much differently than the standard length ones and other Model 77s. They have a foreend lug connected via a steel strap to a steel projection on the main recoil lug.

My huckleberry is the .338. Weight and feel is perfect. The integral quarter rib and action finishing are superb on all these guns. Mine shoots well to boot.

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Originally Posted by elkhunternm
Thanks for the clarification WhelenAway. smile

WhelenAway,the RSM was also chambered for the .416 Rigby,which is a true magnum length action.



Yep...forgot about that one!


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A coworker of mine inherited a RSM in 375 H&H mag from his father in law. His son wanted to shoot it so I was asked about reloading for it. Not one to miss an opportunity to experience that quality I said I would but would need the gun for awhile. No problem, I enjoyed shooting it for a couple of weeks and found a good load pretty quick using the 270 gr Hornady spire pt at 2600 fps. I loaded them 50 rds and returned it.Later that fall the son used it on a nice 5x5 whitetail buck. The rifle had a very nice looking Circassion stock
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I had an RSM in 375 for a while.

As noted it was a very heavy rifle, and mine had a blond stock without a great deal of figure, so eventually I moved it along.

The integral quarter rib was the big draw for me.

Should have bought an Express before they got too pricey. They are a lot harder to find.


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Originally Posted by Magnum_Bob
I would guess it is the styling that people want more than the intent to use it in Africa. At $1300+ I haven't run out and bought one yet. MB


The Lipsey's specials can usually be had a fair bit cheaper:

ruger-m77-hawkeye-280-ackley-bolt-action-rifle-24-barrel-polished-blue-finish-ruger-57126/


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Originally Posted by WhelenAway


I can remember very well when 8x57 Remington 700 Classics being sold for $350 new in the box. And even at that price most were being purchased as donors.

For me, nostalgia only goes so far, and I am quickly disillusioned with low-pressure under-performing rounds.


Spot On !

A F A I C, there are several cartridges that fit that category.


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Originally Posted by El_Numero_Uno
What do I know here? Not much, but the Ruger M77 Hawkeye African is just a platform that has lots of class with the barrel band sling stud, the black fore end tip and the 2 crossbolts, which are for aesthetics only. It has a 24" barrel one weight heavier than most Hawkeyes.
Just because it is called the African model, doesn't mean you can only use it in Africa.
The 280 AI is a classy cartridge and my current favorite in my Ruger No.1A.
For those suggesting those obscure English rounds, Ruger will not even consider chambering a firearm in a cartridge without SAAMI specs.


I agree with this wholeheartedly. My problem is I don’t think big chunky reinforced stock and barrel band swivel stud when I think 280AI.

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Originally Posted by RemModel8
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8x57

^^^^ A far better choice than the 280ai.

I think Lipsey made a mistake. There is no IMHO lineage between the 280 (Ackley or the 7mm Remington Express version) and Africa. I think it's solely because the 280ai is a "hot round" right now, and they're trying to pull off a Reese's Peanut Butter Cup moment. Not working. Be like having a 6 Creedmoor African.


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Would the 1 in 8.5 twist be too fast for 120 gr. Barnes or 140 gr. BTips meaning would the bullets come apart or be less likely to group well? I'd use it mostly for whitetails under 300 yds

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Originally Posted by elkhunternm
Ruger should get with Kynoch ammo and come out with some real African cartridges instead of the .280 AI.

http://www.kynochammunition.co.uk/cartridge%20collection.html


Some great cartridges in this selection.


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Had one that I bought cheap never fired. Kicking myself for selling it. Was a bit front heavy but not bad when you scoped it. Still weighed a bit but it really tamed the recoil.

Didn't shoot it much though, but very nice rifle.


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I had one of the 9.3's. I liked the idea better than I did the rifle. Kicked like heck with heavy bullets and the wood was vanilla plain. I regret not buying one of the 275's, but would really like one in 30-06. 280AI? No thanks. Now, a 7x64? I'd be all over that one. You know, tradition and all. I'll bet they could sell a few in 338-06 as well.

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Originally Posted by dimecovers5
Would the 1 in 8.5 twist be too fast for 120 gr. Barnes or 140 gr. BTips meaning would the bullets come apart or be less likely to group well? I'd use it mostly for whitetails under 300 yds


Not a problem.

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