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"The Constitution was originally said to be in effect after a certain number of the original states ratified it. At least two of those states--New York and New Jersey ratified it conditionally, the condition being they would be allowed to secede at any time."
This is entirely false. No such thing as conditional ratification. The document is ratified as passed or not. No middle.
Also, the Irish could not be sold as property. If there's a lower form of life than being property, that's news to me.
Except your opinion in 2020 was not the opinion of New York or New Jersey n 1789. As for the Irish, I dunno.
Don't blame me. I voted for Trump.
Democrats would burn this country to the ground, if they could rule over the ashes.
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California didn't almost secede.
Not so. At the time there was considerable sentiment in California to let the other guys fight. Many Californians didn't think they had a dog in that fight. After all, it took months to even travel to the United States. This sentiment was defused by Mrs. John C. Fremont who imported a famous preacher to give speeches supporting union up and down the state.
Don't blame me. I voted for Trump.
Democrats would burn this country to the ground, if they could rule over the ashes.
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" ... Endless caravans from NY escaping to the south is priceless.
Yes, except most of them are bringing their convoluted left wing ideology with them so they can "convert" the conservative "hicks" in the red states to destroy their way of life. L.W. Yup. They're not fleeing the politics they're just fleeing the weather
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Let me try to understand.
South Carolina was a United State.
Part of... The United States.
Fort Sumpter was a United States of America fort.
Owned and occupied by the United States of America.
The State, didn't want to be in the union.
How does that make Fort Sumpter not Union.
Or is it like Chaos.
They just wanted to take it because it and they were there?
Honestly, this was the century before the last.
I just don't get the BS and people acting like they are personally invested.
Also, how do you thump your patriotic chest,
While loving on a failed revolt,
And continually hating that which you proclaim to live?
History? I love it.
Heritage, mines German, from the century before the big American feud.
I don't identify as German. Or my ancestors.
Just me.
Just now.
100% American!
Parents who say they have good kids..Usually don't!
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California didn't almost secede.
Not so. At the time there was considerable sentiment in California to let the other guys fight. Many Californians didn't think they had a dog in that fight. After all, it took months to even travel to the United States. This sentiment was defused by Mrs. John C. Fremont who imported a famous preacher to give speeches supporting union up and down the state. CA *was* the United States (since 1850)... and no, it was never in real danger of seceding. Both from a political demographic standpoint and the large # of regular, pro-Union army stationed there.
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Milley
Sounds like something you’d name a little female dog
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