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For instance a Model seven or 700 Remington action, a light 20 inch barrel stocked to your personal preference, topped with a quality 2x7 scope and chambered in 6.5 CM, 7-08 or 308. I can dig it. 700, 20", 1.5x8, 7-08. 120 TTSX ![[Linked Image from i.imgur.com]](https://i.imgur.com/bTtVBxT.jpg)
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Funny, my Marlin 1894 .44 mag didn't kill deer any better than my .30-30. It kicked harder, wasn't as accurate and had much less effective range so I sold it and went back to using my .30-30. You had a freak occurrence with your .30-30. I once had a very similar experience with 12 gauge slugs. I did not conclude that 12 gauge slugs weren't good deer killers from that one incident and went on to kill dozens more with perfectly satisfactory results. Some deer just don't want to die in the usual expected fashion no matter what you shoot them with.
As I age, I've been able to put my history with the 30-30 behind me. It wasn't just one bad experience, btw. It was all sort of things going wrong for both my sons and I. Little by little a good deal of them finally got explained. The big watershed was Mooseboy finally fessing up years later that he'd been closing his eyes before pulling the trigger. That explained a lot. I've acquired another rifle in 30-30, a Savage 340, and I'm currently working up a load for it. Eventually, I'll have 30-30 back in the rotation. It's funny you mention 12 GA slug. For really close in work, I really could find little fault with my Rem 1100 with 12 GA Sluggers. When I was doing the majority of my firearms hunting out of my bow stands, the 12 GA was devasting. That's another project I've got on the back burner right now. The other deer gun I got out of Bob's collection was a Stoeger SXS. If you're looking for a quintessential old school Ohio deer gun, this is it: ![[Linked Image from genesis9.angzva.com]](https://genesis9.angzva.com/wp-content/uploads/wppa/2727.jpg) Bob had this for decades, mostly as a conversation piece. He called it "Luigi;" as it reminded him of the shotguns used in The Godfather. He brought it out to the LGS to show it off. A fellow regular immediately saw the efficacy of using KAR 98 sights on an SXS shotgun and immediately went home and soldered up a similar rig. Of all the various cartridges I've used to kill deer, I've killed the most with the .30-30 and 12 gauge slugs. I've seen very little difference in effectiveness between them. Deer shot through the lungs with either tend to run 30-50 yards and fall over. Deer shot through the shoulders/spine/head with either tend to drop right there. Pretty much the same reaction I've gotten with my .243, 6.5 Creed, 7x57, .308, .30-06, .35 Rem. and .44 Mag.....
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Over the past 5-6 years, this has become my perfect whitetail rifle. ![[Linked Image from live.staticflickr.com]](https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49288270657_5ba3d60ff6_k.jpg) Were I to start hunting deer with a centerfire again with regularity, I'd likely pick a Model 70 Compact Classic or a MK V Ultra Lightweight in .308 Win topped with a quality 3-9 or 2-10 looking glass.
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I had a stainless 700 SPS 7mm-08 cut to 20in, Timney trigger installed, bedded and floated. I thought it would be the perfect deer rifle. I hunted with it for a couple years and it just never clicked for me. I picked up an older 700 7mag last year that I put in a CDL stock. I don't need a 7mag where I hunt, but for some reason it fits me better. It became the gun I always grabbed when I went hunting. I sold the 7mm-08.
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700 with synthetic stock and 2 to 7 scope, chambered in 250 savage would be my idea. How about a model 7 thus chambered?
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In sporter weight barrels, I am quite fond of 21 - 21.5" barrels, all subjective. Good specs above, yet I have never personally found the accuracy I want, in a barrel lighter than a M70 Fwt. I prefer sporter weight or heavier contour, for balance and accuracy. If you hunt mostly from a stand and want more muzzle hang, a 22.5 -23 is a good compromise, especially if you need to get it out of a window.
So the M7 and Mtn rifle contours, and similar, just never worked as well. I am sure they will do fine, and balance best with a very light stock and scope. No use putting a heavy scope and stock on one if you run a thin tube.
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I couldn’t buy it back in the ‘90’s so I built it. Ruger ss Mk ll 77 action, Shilen #1 taper ss 20” match grade 7mm-08 chambered barrel, Brown Precision Kevlar stock, reworked trigger, Teflon coated bolt, full woodland camo painted, camo Uncle Mike’s sewn on sling in Nylon sling swivels, 1.5-6x42 Zeiss 30mm Diavari VM/V, #8 reticle in Ruger low rings. 7 pounds 2 ounces. I said to myself, what is the point in having a safe full of rifles that I won’t actually use?
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New Haven M70 Fwt in McMillan Fwt stock. 270Win/140 TSX. 2.5-10 or 3-10 Nightforce w/IHR reticle.
Kimber Montana 7-08. 120 TSX. 6x42 Leupold.
Kimber Montana 270Win 1:8 Lilja, 2.5-10x42 NXS w/IHR. 150gn ABLR.
Deer here might be flushed out of cattails, CRP, or tree-rows and be just off your toe-nails, or, they may be far enough away across open pasture or harvested crop ground to test the limits of your optic's reserve elevation past zero.
Fall of '19 the 2 deer I took were @ 560yds and 425yds. Fall of '18 the deer were ~75yds trotting behind a doe, ~100yds standing by a bedded doe, and a bull elk broadside @ 350yds.
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When I first read this thread I was thinking light small bore. But after thinking it over, why re-invent the wheel?
I would take Jack O's 2nd sheep rifle. Of course Al Biesen is no longer around to build it but I can dream. That was the prettiest, most functional rifle on the planet. What's not to love? Pre-64 Model 70 feather weight in .270 Win. fit in a french walnut stock checkered wrap around the wrist in a fleur de lis pattern. All that with a Leupold straight 4x scope. Jack might have designed it with sheep in mind but that just wreaks of deer.
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For instance a Model seven or 700 Remington action, a light 20 inch barrel stocked to your personal preference, topped with a quality 2x7 scope and chambered in 6.5 CM, 7-08 or 308. It would seem this platform would do a lot of deer hunting really well. I would be equally happy with a model 70 short action CRF as the basis also. I don't own a 6.5 CM so the bullets I would mostly use would be 140 gr. partitions in the 7-08 and 150 gr. Partitions in the 308. How far off am I? You're really close to where I'd want to be. As long as the rifle is stainless, has a synthetic stock, balances at the forward action screw, and throws Partitions from an 08-based case, the rest is pretty much academic. Okie John
If Montana had a standing army, a 270 Win with Federal Blue Box 130's would be the standard issue.
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i've quit chasing "the perfect deer rifle", and settled for what works for me, where i hunt, and how i hunt.
Left hand Tikka T3 lite stainless in 6.5 CM with a Ziess conquest 4.5-14x44 SF. I shoot Federal blue box 140 grain soft point.
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Marlin 336 30-30 with a Leupold vari-x 3 2.5-8 shooting federal blue box 150 grain soft point.
Both cover 100% of my deer hunting needs.
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I carry a 250 Savage or a 30/30 about 99.9% of the time.
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I carry a savage that's got a heavy fluted 308 barrel and wears a suppressor topped with a quality 4.5-14 scope that throws 168 grain vlds at max load speeds. Dial for drop out to 600 yards. It'll flatten anything if it's 30 yards in timber from a treestand or out on the Dakota prairies at 600 yards. Sure they make lighter rifles but I prefer a little weight and stability over saving a few pounds to carry in and out. Ymmv.
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I have four I am very fond of depending on type of hunting I am doing. For still hunting my Mannlicher Schoenauer 1905 in 9x56 just can't be beat. If the weather is going to be crappy while still hunting I take my Remington model 14 in 30 rem from with factory peep sight. If stand hunting can't beat my savage 99 in 308 with a 3x9 Leopould on tip.if tree stand hunting I take my River model 77 RSI in 250-3000 with a 2x7 Bushnell on top. Handlers gun ever in a free stand.
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For instance a Model seven or 700 Remington action, a light 20 inch barrel stocked to your personal preference, topped with a quality 2x7 scope and chambered in 6.5 CM, 7-08 or 308. It would seem this platform would do a lot of deer hunting really well. I would be equally happy with a model 70 short action CRF as the basis also. I don't own a 6.5 CM so the bullets I would mostly use would be 140 gr. partitions in the 7-08 and 150 gr. Partitions in the 308. How far off am I? That's about it. If the bolt handle weren't on the wrong side of those that's what I'd use. I would use 120gr bullets out of a .260 to make the rig easier to run after the first shot.
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I'm partial to my McWhorter in 7mm08, 120 BT's or 140 AB's.
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i've quit chasing "the perfect deer rifle", and settled for what works for me, where i hunt, and how i hunt.
Left hand Tikka T3 lite stainless in 6.5 CM with a Ziess conquest 4.5-14x44 SF. I shoot Federal blue box 140 grain soft point.
and
Marlin 336 30-30 with a Leupold vari-x 3 2.5-8 shooting federal blue box 150 grain soft point.
Both cover 100% of my deer hunting needs. That's a good combo right there. Covers near and far.
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For the eastern woods hunting I do, a ruger American ranch in 300 blk is fast becoming my go to. Fast, light and accurate as any I have at 100 yards with the Barnes factory load. If I am hunting over a field I will take my sps ss in 7-08 in a McMillan mountain edge fill shooting 120 gr ttsx’s at 3200 fps into small groups. That is my perfect all around gun.
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Should work fine. But certainly don't "need" partitions for deer at the velocities provided by those cartridges. Partitions are never the wrong bullet to hit an animal with.
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I can think of many "perfect Whitetail rifles" but the one that comes to mind first is a Kimber 84M Montana chambered for .308 win shooting some 130gr TTSX bullets.... Maybe mount a Swarovski Z3 3-9x36 in some Talley lightweights 👍......Hb Killed 5 WT a few years back with this combo with reduced loads to boot!
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