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This is still very raw data. Give me demographics. Who are these people. "People" covers a lot of territory including some who are very borderline "people". What ar the living conditions, i.e. number in a home/square feet, neighborhood density, hospitalized, extended care resident, race, medical complications. A big one would be infections, hospital admissions and deaths from similar viral infections. Mine the data.
“When Tyranny becomes Law, Rebellion becomes Duty”
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Don't forget that the teachers are not kids.
This is what the teachers are reminding the school boards about.
Many of my friends are teachers or school workers (counselors, cafeteria staff, janitors, administration, etc.)
Four of my teacher friends have decided to retire instead of going back to work. Before the pandemic, this state was 3,000 teachers short for about 5-10 years. If school restarts this fall, I think there will be two groups who will either retire early (older teachers) or newer teachers (1-3 years). The nation wide statistics are that 50% of all new teachers quit the profession within their first (3) years. With the past and current shortage of teachers to start with, I am worried that schools will have to shut down due to lack of teaching staff. Our economy needs to start up again, and schools need to reopen so that parents can get back to work. However, if protection plans for the adult staff are not in place by next month (school starts), I believe there will be an extreme shortage of teachers, and hence, schools will open and then reclose, just like businesses are doing right now in California, etc. And sadly, I do not see such a plan in place yet.
Some of the plans are to teach schools by Zoom, but this does not release parents to go back to work.
As I watch the news, and see the COVID-19 curve going back up again as business reopened and everyone is flocking to the beaches, parties, protests, etc., I can't help but wonder what the fall/winter (flu season) will bring as schools open up again next month. I'm worried for our schools and I'm worried for our economy. Sadly, I have no solutions to offer, only deep concern for our country.
I pray to God the current school system in this country collapses. Your friends are pussies.
Trump being classless,tasteless and clueless as usual. Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit. My young wife decided to play the field and had moved several dudes into my house
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I may get shìt for this, but the ONLY reason they SHOULD think about keeping schools closed is in consideration of the health of the older teachers/faculty (age 55+ based off the stats). But if 'masks work' like 'they' say they do, make them (older faculty) wear them. I by no means agree with keeping schools closed. We are doing a huge disservice to the children and our future if we keep them out of school even longer. Hell, offer the older faculty an early retirement if we need to in order to get these schools open again. . Masks do not protect one from getting the virus. A virus molecule is infinitely smaller than any cloth weave mask and can get through it without problem. The reason masks are worn, is to reduce the projection of a cough into the air of nearby people, thereby hoping to reduce (not prevent) the spread. School staff wearing masks is not to protect themselves, but to help reduce the spread to other people. I can't believe you believe that bullschit.
Trump being classless,tasteless and clueless as usual. Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit. My young wife decided to play the field and had moved several dudes into my house
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This is still very raw data. Give me demographics. Who are these people. "People" covers a lot of territory including some who are very borderline "people". What ar the living conditions, i.e. number in a home/square feet, neighborhood density, hospitalized, extended care resident, race, medical complications. A big one would be infections, hospital admissions and deaths from similar viral infections. Mine the data. Not sure the “people “ that you speak. I don’t understand what you are asking there. As far as the data, the CDC site i linked has 1300 plus lines of data. It breaks down cases and deaths by male female, state, causes other than covid. In some age brackets more kids died from influenza than covid. The point is people in powerful places are make very questionable decisions about everyone’s future. If you are going to do that, you had better make damn sure the info is correct. I don’t believe most of the BS from the CDC, and their very numbers fall flat when deciding to kill fall sports and or not let kids go back to school. Our kids need to go back to school or risk falling behind. The covid risk is pure propaganda. Clyde
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The nation wide statistics are that 50% of all new teachers quit the profession within their first (3) years In the lower grades, the large majority of teachers are women. They come out of college, teach a year or 2, get married and/or have a baby, and quit.
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I may get shìt for this, but the ONLY reason they SHOULD think about keeping schools closed is in consideration of the health of the older teachers/faculty (age 55+ based off the stats). But if 'masks work' like 'they' say they do, make them (older faculty) wear them. I by no means agree with keeping schools closed. We are doing a huge disservice to the children and our future if we keep them out of school even longer. Hell, offer the older faculty an early retirement if we need to in order to get these schools open again. That is in no way a valid reason to keep from opening schools. That small percentage of teachers that feel they are endangering themselves can take whatever steps they feel they need to do to protect themselves on an individual basis. But whatever they choose to do is on them. Keeping kids from getting an education is not an option. I'm well aware it isn't a valid reason but that's the best they have, and is weak at best. And I agree that schools should be opened asap and the teachers should take every precaution. Around here, they can find a full time teacher in a day. Filling those empty positions will NOT be a problem. I may get shìt for this, but the ONLY reason they SHOULD think about keeping schools closed is in consideration of the health of the older teachers/faculty (age 55+ based off the stats). But if 'masks work' like 'they' say they do, make them (older faculty) wear them. I by no means agree with keeping schools closed. We are doing a huge disservice to the children and our future if we keep them out of school even longer. Hell, offer the older faculty an early retirement if we need to in order to get these schools open again. . Masks do not protect one from getting the virus. A virus molecule is infinitely smaller than any cloth weave mask and can get through it without problem. The reason masks are worn, is to reduce the projection of a cough into the air of nearby people, thereby hoping to reduce (not prevent) the spread. School staff wearing masks is not to protect themselves, but to help reduce the spread to other people. Duh. If you're worried about getting it, don't teach. Again, that position will be filled faster than you can imagine.
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I wonder how many really died of flu or pneumonia. +1 We'll never know because they never tested for it.
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Kids need school to learn what? So they can get a job where in 30% unemployment? Their phone's been their nanny since they were 3yo. Google does their thinking for them. As long as they can fill out an umemployment form, who needs an education?
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One cannot argue with facts a position that was arrived at by emotion political objectives. Fixed it...
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When so-called conservatives fall in with those who hate America, we have no hope.
Kids need to be in school.
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This is still very raw data. Give me demographics. Who are these people. "People" covers a lot of territory including some who are very borderline "people". What ar the living conditions, i.e. number in a home/square feet, neighborhood density, hospitalized, extended care resident, race, medical complications. A big one would be infections, hospital admissions and deaths from similar viral infections. Mine the data. Not sure the “people “ that you speak. I don’t understand what you are asking there. As far as the data, the CDC site i linked has 1300 plus lines of data. It breaks down cases and deaths by male female, state, causes other than covid. In some age brackets more kids died from influenza than covid. The point is people in powerful places are make very questionable decisions about everyone’s future. If you are going to do that, you had better make damn sure the info is correct. I don’t believe most of the BS from the CDC, and their very numbers fall flat when deciding to kill fall sports and or not let kids go back to school. Our kids need to go back to school or risk falling behind. The covid risk is pure propaganda. Clyde I'd say I didn't look closely enough. Just get fed up with reporting that doesn't distinguish between 80 year olds morbidly obese with self inflicted diabetes living inner city lives with 8 people in a 2 BR apt. Or are these otherwise healthy 35 year olds. Are there racially based susceptibilities? Sexual based? If there are then those most susceptible need to know. What are the numbers for illegal insurgents? Many of these are in the meat packing facilities. How about overly gregarious portions of our society; those groups that are going to gather in large groups. Another inner city attribute. All "people" aren't equal when it comes to becoming infected and infecting others. Guess I'm just fed up with all the equality squalor. Certain groups and/or individuals just need to be avoided and I don't think that's a heading the news media wants to discuss. Rant over.
“When Tyranny becomes Law, Rebellion becomes Duty”
Colossians 3:17 (New King James Version)
"And whatever you do in word or deed, do all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God the Father through Him."
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What I would really like to see is the total number of infections for each cohort. Then you'd have a death rate.
Clearly, Wuhan kills the old and infirm more than the young and fit. So is it worth protecting the old and infirm? And how hard would that really be? If you're over 65, you're retired or at least likely to be, with a pension income et cetera. Everyone younger than 65, well, you're still working or growing or learning or whatever, and living isn't going to kill you although you might still get sick for a while, with a few really sick.
My biggest concern over Wuhan is my Dad. He's 85, getting a little fuzzy but still definitely a grumpy old fighter pilot. Neither he nor I are quite ready for his last trip to Arlington -- he'd prefer to go quietly and quickly and has no intention of lingering.
On a nastier level, however, how many of the nursing home patients were in their last six months of "natural life" anyway, or suffereing from long-term dementia?
Dementia in my view is worse than death anyway. My mom was demented and it was just a losing deal all around. The nursing home killed her, let her choke to death on potato salad just a couple of days after she'd been transferred from the hospital over my objections. Yet it was a mercy in a way. My Mom was already gone, her mind dead, so I wonder how much longer her body might have held on, and how much the nursing home would have raked off for each pointless day.
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Heck, I've watched government "health officials" basically admitting outright that they are counting damn near everything as a "COVID 19 death". If you died of something and happened to have COVID 19 (though it was unrelated to your death), then it's a COVID 19 death. If they suspect that the deceased had COVID 19, then it's a COVID 19 death. They're just making crap up.... and people keep buying it. Died in a car crash? You know, he did have a pretty nasty cough.... Must be a COVID 19 death. The numbers are TOTAL BS.
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No, I don't want my elderly parents to get the Chinese virus. Neither do I want them to get pneumonia, the flu, a cold, or any number of other things that could be quite dangerous... and probably more likely for them to get. Especially since asymptomatic transmission appears to be extremely unlikely.
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You know best part of the numbers shows the increased lethality of the older age groups, those of us who are mainly conservative. It's clearly a designed disease to eliminate those of us who actually planned to live long enough to collect our social security benefits. It shows absolute proof of the democraps in collusion with the communist chinese to take over the country, the piss ant antifa and blm morons are just a diversion. MB
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Pretty good info on Ingram tonight again.
Children are not at risk nor those around them.
There's little to no virus in breath of persons testing positive. It's spread ass to face.
Masks are nonsense, zero benefits for healthy individuals in non clinical settings.
Keep the sick people away from the at risk.
OMG, ICU near capacity. Last year at this time they were 95%. That's how the business is set up.
Live life.
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My mother is 102 and lives with my sister & family. They've been very careful about where they go the last few months. Even a mild case of it and Mom would likely be gone.
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My mother is 102 and lives with my sister & family. They've been very careful about where they go the last few months. Even a mild case of it and Mom would likely be gone. That's why we should shut down everything and bankrupt the economy. If it saves just one 102 year old, isn't it worth it?
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My mother is 102 and lives with my sister & family. They've been very careful about where they go the last few months. Even a mild case of it and Mom would likely be gone. Buddy of mines 104 year old grandmother had it. She will be celebrating 105 by the end of the year. If not, it won't be because of the rona. Clyde
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Don't forget that the teachers are not kids.
This is what the teachers are reminding the school boards about.
Many of my friends are teachers or school workers (counselors, cafeteria staff, janitors, administration, etc.)
Four of my teacher friends have decided to retire instead of going back to work. Before the pandemic, this state was 3,000 teachers short for about 5-10 years. If school restarts this fall, I think there will be two groups who will either retire early (older teachers) or newer teachers (1-3 years). The nation wide statistics are that 50% of all new teachers quit the profession within their first (3) years. With the past and current shortage of teachers to start with, I am worried that schools will have to shut down due to lack of teaching staff. Our economy needs to start up again, and schools need to reopen so that parents can get back to work. However, if protection plans for the adult staff are not in place by next month (school starts), I believe there will be an extreme shortage of teachers, and hence, schools will open and then reclose, just like businesses are doing right now in California, etc. And sadly, I do not see such a plan in place yet.
Some of the plans are to teach schools by Zoom, but this does not release parents to go back to work.
As I watch the news, and see the COVID-19 curve going back up again as business reopened and everyone is flocking to the beaches, parties, protests, etc., I can't help but wonder what the fall/winter (flu season) will bring as schools open up again next month. I'm worried for our schools and I'm worried for our economy. Sadly, I have no solutions to offer, only deep concern for our country.
We can afford the loss of a few teachers. It will allow the hiring of new teachers at a cheaper price.
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