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Never owned one, had some binoculars. They were good!
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Nice scope, I love my M3 4-16x42. I see the M5 has a 30mm tube while my M3 is 1". The description doesn't mention ED glass.
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I guess I don't understand the appeal of buying an optic from a company that is exiting the business. I wouldn't touch a Nikon scope with a 10 ft pole. Their customer service was already clueless enough without them trying to figure out how to warranty and service products they no longer have.
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I bought 2 of the M Tactical 3-12’s in Mrad for $199 and absolutely love them. They dial very accurately. I also bought one of the FX1000’s for $400 it’s an awesome scope that also dials very accurately. They all have very bright and quality glass too. I could care less about warranty at those prices.
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That's about what they're worth.
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I bought 2 of the M Tactical 3-12’s in Mrad for $199 and absolutely love them. They dial very accurately. I also bought one of the FX1000’s for $400 it’s an awesome scope that also dials very accurately. They all have very bright and quality glass too. I could care less about warranty at those prices. Great news! Congratulations on the deals.
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I guess I don't understand the appeal of buying an optic from a company that is exiting the business. I wouldn't touch a Nikon scope with a 10 ft pole. Their customer service was already clueless enough without them trying to figure out how to warranty and service products they no longer have. I have owned numerous Nikon products over the years; cameras, binoculars, range finder, a high end slide scanner, and several rifle scopes. In all that time one scope went back to Midway for faulty reticle adjustment and was promptly replaced by Midway. I didn’t have to deal with Nikon. I don’t see the point in worrying about the warranty on a $600-$700 scope that is on clearance and selling for less than half that amount. YMMV
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That's about what they're worth. JG have you actually tried the specific scopes I commented on? I have tried almost every single brand of scope, they are way better than many. I don’t know why so many have a distaste for Nikon, their chit has always been more reliable than scopes like Leupolds who’s fan boy list is long.
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No, not specifically. I guess I have a disdain/distrust for Nikon because the one Nikon scope I did have, Nikon screwed me out of the turret I ordered.....never received it. Customer service was abysmal, and was equally abysmal when I tried getting information on a Nikon EDG binocular I wanted to buy. Clueless once again. Then there was my attempt to get proper warranty/registration information out of them when I was buying the Laserforce binos. The information they gave me, in writing I might add, was a complete 180^ from being accurate. Then there was Nikon who changed thier warranties on their binoculars in mid stride after people had already bough them. Then, the parent company Nikon is a huge anti hunting/anti shooting entity. I'd put a touch more money with the $400 and get an Optika from meopta.
Those are the reasons I think Nikon is an absolute joke, and would buy Leupold any day of the week over any Nikon made. I killed a couple hundred big game animals with a Leupold "set and forget" variety of scopes so dont' give me that crap about them never working correctly. If dialing I'll go a different direction though nowadays, because i think Leupold has also lost their way.
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Shouldnt suprise anyone. They're garbage.
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I had a Monarch and felt the glass was very good and comparable to a VX3....the eye relief however was not at higher magnification.
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Nikons CS and warranty have both sucked for years. Good by and good riddance.
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No, not specifically. I guess I have a disdain/distrust for Nikon because the one Nikon scope I did have, Nikon screwed me out of the turret I ordered.....never received it. Customer service was abysmal, and was equally abysmal when I tried getting information on a Nikon EDG binocular I wanted to buy. Clueless once again. Then there was my attempt to get proper warranty/registration information out of them when I was buying the Laserforce binos. The information they gave me, in writing I might add, was a complete 180^ from being accurate. Then there was Nikon who changed thier warranties on their binoculars in mid stride after people had already bough them. Then, the parent company Nikon is a huge anti hunting/anti shooting entity. I'd put a touch more money with the $400 and get an Optika from meopta.
Those are the reasons I think Nikon is an absolute joke, and would buy Leupold any day of the week over any Nikon made. I killed a couple hundred big game animals with a Leupold "set and forget" variety of scopes so dont' give me that crap about them never working correctly. If dialing I'll go a different direction though nowadays, because i think Leupold has also lost their way. Fair enough, I’ve only used Nikon Warranty once on a high powered Monarch that I used on a predator rifle and it took a major fall,landed on the scope objective and bent the tube. They replaced it and I had no issues with their CS. I’ve used Nikon Binos, spotting scopes and some of their rifle scopes and have never needed CS for a faulty product. I’m not broken hearted they are getting out of the scope business, but I am glad I snaggged some really good scopes at a very reduced price as a result. I won’t own another Leupold scope ever, I’ll leave my comments at that.
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You are correct, sir. They are indeed out, along with Weaver. Who's next? For crying out loud! Weaver? They've been making scopes forever. When did they close shop?
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You are correct, sir. They are indeed out, along with Weaver. Who's next? For crying out loud! Weaver? They've been making scopes forever. When did they close shop? The real Weaver quit making scopes decades ago.
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I guess that shows how much I've been in that loop.
Mines probably made in china then.
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I guess I don't understand the appeal of buying an optic from a company that is exiting the business. I wouldn't touch a Nikon scope with a 10 ft pole. Their customer service was already clueless enough without them trying to figure out how to warranty and service products they no longer have. Nikon management is anti gun , why bother doing business with them?
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I guess I don't understand the appeal of buying an optic from a company that is exiting the business. I wouldn't touch a Nikon scope with a 10 ft pole. Their customer service was already clueless enough without them trying to figure out how to warranty and service products they no longer have. Nikon management is anti gun , why bother doing business with them? What is your source?
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Rifle scopes have become like electronics, predictable obsolescence, shifting brand ownership, with essentially meaningless "lifetime warranties". A buyer needs to consider all of this in making a purchase decision.'
At what price point do you consider a throw away product acceptable? It's like the discussion of Harbor Freight tools. How much do you have to pay for predictable quality and enduring customer support, and even then how far can you count on it? Who ever thought that the original Redfield and Weaver would ever go away? What about Marlin and Winchester?
It seems like other industries have adopted the model of the computer world, "We don't support that any more".
Paul
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