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Re: Vietnam ? No, Vietnam Era [Re: Jim_Knight] #15019337 07/03/20
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Amidst the plethora of things most folks don't understand is the war machine requires many parts and the support side of the equation devours a large share of the population. They never see conflict, but without their contribution those on the field of battle would never win. There is no shame whatsoever in missing out on the combat side of things and I am more than grateful for those that serve in the support roles.

Lineage on both sides of my family is peppered with those that were combat veterans and "era" vets. Won't bore you with the telling, but the "era" vets outnumbered the combat vets in my family by noticeable margin and this ranges from the US Civil War, both world wars, Korea and Vietnam.

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Re: Vietnam ? No, Vietnam Era [Re: Jim_Knight] #15024034 07/05/20
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If you served in the early 70's, you gotta be 70+ yrs old. I say put it behind you and move on. From a guy who served my 2yrs in Italy 1969-71. And was glad of it.

Re: Vietnam ? No, Vietnam Era [Re: Jim_Knight] #15030791 07/07/20
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My first enlistment was June 1973 to June 1976. I was stationed at Ft. Sam Houston and a Nike missile base outside of Anchorage Alaska. I was a real cold war warrior. I rejoined the National Guard in 1985. I was activated for Desert Sheild/Storm and never left the States. I was activated again for Iraqi Freedom and again I never left the States. I did make it to a combat zone after retiring from the P.D. at the end of 2008 and went to Afghanistan as a contractor.

But if you ask, I'm a Viet nam Cold war era soldier.

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Re: Vietnam ? No, Vietnam Era [Re: Jim_Knight] #15049387 07/14/20
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They called legal draft dodgers, US Army Reserve.
I came out a Staff Sargent, we were first a service battery, then 205 Howitzers.


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Re: Vietnam ? No, Vietnam Era [Re: Jim_Knight] #15113619 08/06/20
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Thanks for your service. you stood up and answered the call to duty, you wrote that check, and that's what matters.

I came along much later, skipped school right after Christmas Break, early Jan is cold in the NE, went to the recruiter station and signed up as my tolerance level was low from people asking what I was going to do after High School? Imagine the look on their faces of a 17 year old country boy with long hair saying he was leaving for the ARMY when he graduated. I had a short tour none the less, 26 years, 24.5 of it Active Duty, you don't always get to choose where you ended up.

Thanks to all that served.


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Re: Vietnam ? No, Vietnam Era....."Oh" [Re: Jim_Knight] #15120085 08/08/20
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When I got out, a littler girl spit on me while her parents, arms crossed laughed gleefully.
The human resources doors had "NO VETERANS!"
The professors told me that they didn't like my kind and would never give me an "A". At the church I attended the church, the council waited for me at the door and told me that they didn't want scum like me in their church.
The only jobs I could get were day laborer at less than minimum wages. It was either hard labor or just jobs no one else wanted.
Even the police treated veterans like [bleep]. They knew that we were the ones who brought drugs into town. I got stopped by the highway patrol every time I met them on the road. They did an entire search of my car including the trunk. One highway patrolman handcuffed me and put me in the back of his cruiser when he found white touch up paint in my car. He tasted it and said in disgust, "What is this [bleep] anyway?"


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Re: Vietnam ? No, Vietnam Era....."Oh" [Re: Jim_Knight] #15120170 08/08/20
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Re: Vietnam ? No, Vietnam Era....."Oh" [Re: Jim_Knight] #15121431 08/09/20
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Can't sleep tonight for no particular reason, but re visited this thread.. Yeah, I served, but never in harms way, although I certainly trained for it...

I am proud of serving, but looking back, I wished I had done more for my nation....

I say this toward no one, I just apply it to myself.....

I still have more respect for those that served within harms way, than I do for the service that I did in the Medical Corps...

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To all my brothers who put on the uniform.........a Heartfelt THANK YOU...




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Re: Vietnam ? No, Vietnam Era....."Oh" [Re: Jim_Knight] #15125083 08/10/20
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I was in 1969 to 1972 USMC. 50% of my platoon died in the first two weeks In Vietnam. I lost track after that. I was the oldest at 20 years old (of the recruits). Most were just 18.

I spent 6 months at Bal Boa Naval Hospital and 6 months at Camp Pendleton Naval Hospital. Two years later I was excited to leave hoping to get back to a normal life - I left as an E-5 Sgt. Little did I know that I was a druggy, a baby killer and a rapist.

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Re: Vietnam ? No, Vietnam Era....."Oh" [Re: Jim_Knight] #15129350 08/12/20
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Too young, never served, so this may be all wrong.
It's definitely not meant as an insult to anyone.

If you volunteered for the Army during Vietnam,
Don't let anyone who was probably drafted and "forced" to Vietnam,
try to make you feel bad about not serving there.

Ponder that.


I have heard much talk looking for recognization if their service from guys
whose story started with getting a letter.

They did their duty, served when ask, but they did not volunteer.

And again, it's a distinction, and not meant as a slight to those who were
drafted. Their country called, and they answered, at a time when many didnt.

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Re: Vietnam ? No, Vietnam Era....."Oh" [Re: Jim_Knight] #15140951 08/16/20
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I think the backbone of the army was and is it's NCO's, and I can tell you from personal experience, we volunteers, RA's were treated with slightly more deference by the NCO's in my case , in 1964.
At the recruiting office in 1964, the senior sergeant went to my high school and demanded they review my records and give me my diploma if I had the number of credits required, so he could give me the mos school I requested. (I had left home and didn't graduate formally with the class, living in the back of my old pickup) They reviewed my credits and awarded the diploma and I got my school,,, thanks sarge. Then I scored very high on my battery tests, and they were pressuring me to go to OCS after basic. The company First Sergeant pulled me aside in confidence and warned me to be VERY careful. He told me my mos would be out the window, and I would graduate OCS in Infantry rather than Engineers. He explained at length the average life expectancy of a 2nd Lt. of infantry. Probably saved my life. I liked the Army, but I was not a natural born leader or warrior. And through the next two plus years I felt I was treated well and fairly. I graduated near the top of my class at heavy equipment repair school, it gave me a trade for the rest of my life, and never heard a shot fired in anger. I was given responsibilities far above my E-4 rank, and with that went privileges, I never washed a dish or mopped a floor after boot camp.
But, then, I am a weird duck, I am the only guy in the US that LOVED army chow (although in honesty, Navy and Air Force was even better, and I worked for them frequently, often showing up at mealtime).
I always had a place in my heart for the grunts, RA, US, NG, regardless,always thought, "that could be you, you lucky bastard", as I looked at their dark hollow eyes, the thousand yard stare is not a myth.


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Re: Vietnam ? No, Vietnam Era....."Oh" [Re: Jim_Knight] #15169866 08/26/20
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Jim_Knight,

I understand. I was in a branch of the military that many think do nothing outside the sight of land, much less to see actual combat in Vietnam. A number of years ago I had a serving Marine ( who had never seen combat anywhere, at that time) question how in the hell I even got a US Navy Combat Action Ribbon!!

Nevertheless we just move on. Nothing to be ashamed of in your service.

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Re: Vietnam ? No, Vietnam Era....."Oh" [Re: Jim_Knight] #15206510 09/08/20
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I was in the Marines from Oct 1968 to July 1970. I got as far as Okinawa and never made it to Nam. From what I heard about 65% of the guys I went over with didn’t come back or not the way they went. I never really talk about me being in the Marines as I feel I never did my part for what I was trained for. I guess I’m suffering from survivors guilt or something? I’ll still proud that I graduated from boot camp at Paris Island as a PFC!😄

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I enlisted for 3 years in the Army in 1968 "unassigned". Upon completion of basic training I figured I would get orders to go to Fort Polk for 11 Bravo training but instead I was given a MOS of 16 Bravo. I didn't even know what that was. It turned out to be Nike-Hercules missiles in ARADCOM. I became a "Cold War" soldier with black boots. We never got any recognition but we certainly spent many long, boring and lonely hours guarding against the Communists. Like another poster said, there are many jobs that don't get much credit but I do take pride in knowing that I served my country well and I wish I could go back but at almost 72 we know that's a daydream.


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Re: Vietnam ? No, Vietnam Era [Re: Jim_Knight] #15252018 09/24/20
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Jim, You did your job just like millions of others. There is no reason for you to fret or lose sleep over not potentially getting your ass shot off. I was there in 67, and after a couple of months and a serious accident ended up in TAMC, where I spent a few months . After my being certified for duty, I was reassigned to another job and did not go back to Nam. I did not see combat, as did others, that's the luck of the draw. Nothing can be done about it, I do not fret or lay awake at night worrying about that fact. I do sometimes feel guilty but I am a rational human being and understand those thoughts and feelings. You as I, did what was asked of us and survived, enjoy your life, and never forget those who did not make it back.

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