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Originally Posted by simonkenton7
Astute remark whackem_stackem. In fact, two years ago our power was coal fired, and last year they switched to natural gas.
Still, natural gas gives off greenhouse gas and plenty of it, although less than coal.
And, our power has to travel 50 miles so much of it is lost in transmission.

I would like to see the comparison, natural gas powered electricity that had to travel over 50 miles of electric lines, to power a Tesla, vs a regular car that burns gasoline.
I will bet you that you get less "greenhouse gases" with the gasoline vehicle, in this instance, than you do with the Tesla.

Imagine if you were in a area that gets nuclear power?
With the clean power (even the coal plants) the US produces I really don't see the issue of charging vs hydrocarbon. It's close.
The issues I see are the batteries. Making them and disposing of them. Living in Minnesota EV cars are about as useful in the winter as my Harley is. Just park it.
I've spent my life turning hydrocarbons into horsepower, you wont see me ever owning a EV car or motorcycle. I've driven them and some are really fast but they have no soul. I'll take a Hellcat Widebody running 10.8 @ 126mph over a Model S running a 10.4 @125 any day.
I really want to see EV cars tested at the International Falls test facility. Every manufacturer tests their vehicles there. Let's see what they can do at 0,-10,-20 and even -30. I know my Dodge will get me anywhere I want to go at any temperature.


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I know whackem_stackum can attest that the Fargo area can go weeks without getting above zero, even for the high temp of the day. The Dr. is/was the main or one of the primary orthopedic surgeons for the U.S. Olympic team this last time it was held. My sister in law has actually met a few of the Olympians including US women gold medal hockey players. He also treated a MN Viking players family member. I don't know if there is a HEPA issue so I'm being a bit vague, but they have plenty of places they could go to in Minneapolis or Rochester(the Mayo Hospital), but they go across the whole state of MN for treatment. He has an early version Tesla, so maybe that plays into it. All I know is it stranded him a few times, so it has become a May- Sep/Oct vehicle for him.

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They're about as ungreen as you can imagine! Know what it takes to make those batteries?! How is the electricity produced to charge it?! Give me a break!


I haven’t met anybody that has bought one because they’re “green.”

Most people that want or buy one are car nuts.

And they have advantages as a commuter.


This is certainly why we bought them. I don't give a crap about being green and that actually was a reason I didn't want to buy one. But since I lived about 20 miles from the Tesla factory and am a car guy, I just stopped by in 2013 to see what the fuss was about. The sneaky sales guy (or consultant or whatever they call them) simply put me in a P85 and told me to smash the go pedal. I bought the car on the spot.

The only real nit I had with the car was that with so much instant torque, the rear end would fishtail like crazy in wet weather. Since I was driving from the SF area up Highway 1 all the time, it was actually a safety issue for me. Then the P85D was introduced with MORE power and all wheel drive, so I traded the P85 in for it and there was nothing else like it. Amazing handling, a bit over 3 second 0-60, autopilot that worked before all the nanny crap was put on and I loved the whole idea of a car that was designed intelligently (e.g., things like over the air updates, having the brakes regenerate power rather than just create heat) and the government bribes (free HOV access, free bridge crossings, tax rebates).

An EV just doesn't work for me in Montana. More than half the year, the range takes a massive hit from the cold, there aren't many superchargers outside of the major east/west highway and I tend to use the truck more than any other vehicle here. But if someone makes an EV truck that has a 400+ mile real world range and isn't much more expensive than a traditional pickup, I'd buy one without hesitation.


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My 2015 Tahoe LTZ has a 450 mile cruising range and is sehr komfort. smile

Max gas mileage is 20 mpg+ cruising 70+mph.

No wonder the Federal government buys so many of them.

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