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Not a competitive shooter by any stretch, but a 168 matchking on top of 44-45 grains of varget is nice in 308
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Not a competitive shooter by any stretch, but a 168 matchking on top of 44-45 grains of varget is nice in 308 I did real well with that load in 600 yard prone High Power competition. Guy
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Back when I was competing in NRA Sporting Rifle Hi Power, my 200 yard go-to load was 40.5 of IMR 4895, Fed Match Primer, Sierra 150 Pro Hunter (flat base). A little over 2500 fps in a 22" model 70 push feed. Managed several clean targets in slow fire prone, slinged up of course. Also took a couple sporter weight rifle 300 yard benchrest trophies, same recipe.
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When Gary Anderson was asked that question he said just use 41 grains of 4064. If it doesn't shoot, rebarrel your rifle!
I would think 4895 or Varget giving the equivalent velocity would act just the same. Look in a handbook.
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My match load is 45.5gr of varget with Sierra 168gr matchking
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150s are fine, but for 200 it would be hard to convince me that I need anything heavier than a 125gr bullet. Just about any of the above mentioned powder charges or about 40gr of Varget are fine, especially in a bolt gun since it doesn't have to work the bolt too.
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I too was a fan of the 125 TNT mouse fart loads in a .308 M1. Unfortunately my loading notebook from that era has hidden itself quite well, so I couldn’t tell you specifics as to powder and charge.
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308 = Varget..................................................
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The only match bullet I've ever loaded in the .308 is the 168 MK. Varget is a good powder, but if you have access to H4895, try it as well. You might see a slight accuracy advantage using one over the other. With 150- 180 grain non-match hunting bullets, I've seen better accuracy overall with H4895.
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125 Speer TNT ,Or 125 Sierra Spz, w-wCase fed 210 primer,Winchester 748 powder ,start/finish One grain down from max book load !.
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42.5gr either IMR or H 4895.Federal or CCI LRP, load a little shy of the lands if magazine permits.
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I never used the 150 in competition. My favorite accuracy load was 39 gr. of IMR 3031, 168 gr. Sierra HPBT bullet #2200, LC case, just about any standard LR primer. I used that load for 20 yrs. of 200 yd. match work with iron sights with VG results.
If I remember correctly (very long time ago) the US Army Marksmanship Unit used that load as well. I believe the velocity was about 2550 fps.
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Given decent bullets that are not too long for a 1-12 twist...I think it is hard to find a load that is not accurate enough. I would like to use 190s in my Savage Bull Gun...but they are not accurate (enough) Avoid silly slow powders...not that accuracy may not be there they just scatter un-burned powder kernels everywhere. Ken Waters declared 3031 best with 165-168 bullets I use Varget /155 gr.for F Class and Benchmark /165 SST for 600 yard and under.
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I never used the 150 in competition. My favorite accuracy load was 39 gr. of IMR 3031, 168 gr. Sierra HPBT bullet #2200, LC case, just about any standard LR primer. I used that load for 20 yrs. of 200 yd. match work with iron sights with VG results.
If I remember correctly (very long time ago) the US Army Marksmanship Unit used that load as well. I believe the velocity was about 2550 fps.
I think it was the Marine Corps. I've even heard that load referred to as "Marine match".
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I never used the 150 in competition. My favorite accuracy load was 39 gr. of IMR 3031, 168 gr. Sierra HPBT bullet #2200, LC case, just about any standard LR primer. I used that load for 20 yrs. of 200 yd. match work with iron sights with VG results.
If I remember correctly (very long time ago) the US Army Marksmanship Unit used that load as well. I believe the velocity was about 2550 fps.
That was the standard for 300 meter free rifle match shooting for a very long time. These days just use my Palma match load, 46 grains of Varget behind a 155 Sierra or Lapua Palma match bullet. I have also used Hornday bullets in 155 grains but have not competed with them, I just use the Sierras mostly. ICat
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Hatcher's 300M load called for a 173gr at reduced velocity. 2250fps comes to mind. A full course 300M position match is 120 shots plus sighters on a target much more demanding than our Highpower targets. Recoil reduction with accuracy was huge. (today the gold standard is the 6BR).
FA put out a Hatcher load in their International Match loading in 30-06 in the 1950's then the T275 load in 308. The most common spec for the 308 loading I see on boxes is 2440fps (maybe because these are the ones that weren't consumed in competition as much). It's times like that that I miss my old friend Ray Meketa who collected and documented the 308/7.62 Match loadings. I recall discussing with him the spec'd velocities for the various lots of T275. My recollection is that they were mostly loaded with IMR4895.
Trivia: The VLD bullet design is the result of a cooperative effort between US folk such as Bill Davis of Tioga Engineering, Lou Palmisano, Jimmy Knox of JLK et al in an effort to give the US 300M team a lower recoil, wind resistant, accurate round to shoot in competition. I believe they were successful there and we in the sub 30 cal world benefited from the outfall.
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another bit of trivia (since I'm on a roll); The 168 Sierra Match King was originally known as the 168 International because it was designed and produced for 300M shooting. I believe the debut was in Mexico City for the 1968 Olympic games (for the record, Gary Anderson won Gold!)
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Interesting thread. I’ve generally shot 150gr in the 308 over Varget. I’ve been experimenting with some new powders and slugs. I had a good supply of 165gr, but I think I’ll save them and go to the 168gr. Recoil is never an issue. This girl weighs 12.5lbs…..
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