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Originally Posted by splattermatic
I've got a Ruger Hawkeye, in a walnut stock i really like.


I have two of them, one matt blued and the other gloss. Both put three shots under an inch. I've owned five Roberts rifles and it's the only cartridge that I own multiple rifles for. I passed up a blued/walnut Remington Mountain Rifle years ago and have regretted it ever since. I have never seen another one in 20 years.

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Originally Posted by Mule Deer
Yeah, she really likes it--but when she ordered it from Melvin Forbes 18 years ago, she wanted a 22" Douglas #1 contour barrel, because she wanted it as light as possible. At the time NULA had an "office manager" who wasn't too efficient, and didn't put in the right order. As a result, it got a 24" #2 contour.

It's still pretty light, but not as light as the NULA .270 she already had. However, a few years later Eileen started developing recoil headaches, and had to start using long guns with less recoil. We eventually determined the heaviest possible recoil she could take was around 15 foot-pounds, and it turned out the heavier barrel just about results in about 14.5 foot-pounds with the handload she started using a few years later, the 100-grain Barnes TTSX at 3150 fps. She likes the rifle even more now!


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Could you tell us about some of the larger animals that Eileen has killed with that load? Does she, or has she used it as her elk rifle?

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She has used it on one elk, an average-size cow, around 400 pounds live weight, calculated from the weight of what we packed out.. It was quartering away across a draw at 123 yards (I lasered it afterward!), and at the shot it dropped right there, flopped it's head 2-3 times, and then didn't. She aimed for the far shoulder, and the 100 TTSX entered the middle of the ribcage on the right side, then went through both lungs, on the way taking about an inch off the underside of the spinal column, which is probably the reason it instantly dropped. We found the bullet under the hide of the left shoulder, having lost one petal, weighing 78.6 grains.

Probably the second-largest animal she's killed with the rifle and that load was a a mature mule deer buck, which would have had about a 25" spread if his antlers hadn't been somewhat busted-up by rut-fighting. He weighed about 180 pounds field-dressed, which translates to 250 on the hoof. He was broadside at 99 yards, again ranged after the shot, and like some TTSX-shot animals, went about 100 yard before keeling over., despite the bullet going through both lungs and the top of the heart.

Oddly enough, the next animal she took after the cow elk, the same fall, was an average pronghorn doe, almost facing her at 163 yards. That bullet was also recovered, trom under the hide at the rear of the right ham, retaining 99.4% of its weight--no doubt due to the loss of just the plastic tip. It's unusual (but not exactly rare, in our experience) to recover TTSXs, and that was the only time we've recovered them on two consecutive animals.


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I have had two Pre 64 M70's, both shot well but were heavy about 10 lbs with scope, rings, and bases IIRC. One I bought to flip which I did. My current Bob is a full custom build (I have a weakness for custom rifles) on a 1909 Argentine Mauser action and a Douglas premium barrel. It will put three 110gr Accubonds into a ragged hole with IMR 4350 at 100 yards. I have taken several white tails with it and none have ever taken more than a step or three..

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Originally Posted by Mule Deer
Have had various stocks on my 722, including a custom stock made by a friend which had the wrong LOP and was very heabv, the walnut Mountain Rifle stock, a laminated from somewhere (can't remember now), the original factory stock--and another factory stock, because the original got severely damaged during a move in 1990.

Have not been able to tell any difference in accuracy between any of them, as long as they were bedded the same way--epoxy-bedded front end of the action, all behind the recoil lug, with no "support" bedding of the rear end of the barrel. Also, have never pillar-bedded any of them, which in my experience (and that of several "accuracy" rifle smiths) isn't all that helpful as long as the stock itself is made of heavy enough material in the action-screw areas.

The accuracy when I first started handloading for the rifle was around 1/2" for 5-shot shot groups with "varmint" style bullets from the 75-grain Sierra hollow-point to the 85-grain Nosler Ballistic Tip. With 100-120 grain big game bullets 5-shot groups went into an inch, or less. This included the 100-grain Partition loaded to around 3250 fps with IMR4350--the load I used when guiding pronghorn hunters in the late 1980s. Despite what would be considered a really suck ballistic coefficient these days, it worked fine for my own hunting out to 450 yards, and when finishing off client's wounded animals out to 550. This was long before laser rangefinders, when I used the reticle in my scope to estimate range.

Part of the reason 721/722s shot so well was the quality of the button-rifled barrels, pioneered and patented by Mike Walker during WWII. In fact, one of the articles on my schedule is on the 1903A3 Springfield--apparently the first rifle to feature button-rifled barrels.

When I got my 722 .257 Roberts I think one of the reason I got such a good deal on it was because the original stock had ben cut back to a very short LOP, and there was just a speckling of rust on the outside (only!) of the barrel.
I found an old M700 ADL short actioned beechwood stock on eBay for peanuts and it fit very well. But, I glass bedded it the same way I did all the Mausers and Springfields I'd had prior to that - neutral bedding on the action and a couple inches of barrel forward of the receiver, then floated forward of that. I've since been learning from JB about how rifles with the action screw behind the recoil lug don't need (and it may be a negative) any of the barrel bedded - just free float it all.
I've yet to get around to scraping back that portion of my 722's barrel bedding, to free float the entire barrel, but this post was a nice reminder I need to do so and see how it shoots afterward. Thanks for the reminder, John.

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I have three Bobs, all custom. The first is Big Bob on a commercial Mauser action with 26" #3 contour Shaw barrel and Timney trigger in an old school walnut stock with rollover cheek piece. Strictly a groundhog gun with its 10x M8 Leupold. Little Bob is on a '95 Chilean Mauser with a cock-on-opening kit, 98 style bolt shroud, Timney trigger and 23" Shaw 1 1/2 contour barrel in a walnut stock I bought from a patient, with Schnabel forend and a nice open grip. A Weaver 6x scope tops it. People think it's heavy until they bring it up. Points like a shotgun. New Bob was bought at a gunshow for less than half the money that was put into it, as I found out when I showed it to my smiths, and it turned out they had built it. A Montana action with Douglas barrel set in a Winchester synthetic stock (which I hope to eventually replace) with a Burris 2-7 scope. I dearly love all three rifles. The critters don't share my enthusiasm.



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Originally Posted by Mule Deer
"What did you think.of the Kimber?"

Beautiful walnut-stocked rifle, especially for the price. Stock bedding was good, but there was a problem with misfires, due firing-pin mainspring adjustment. Tried to adjust it per instructions, but screw was frozen.

Accuracy did not approach the 722's--but then only the NULA's has matched the 722.


I have one of those Kimbers in 30-06 I've been pleased with mine so far



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Good to hear!

Got mine in 2008, when apparently quality could vary somewhat.


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My first and only 257 Roberts is a Kimber Classic Select. It’s back at Kimber getting the barrel replaced right now because it had awful tool marks in the chamber and deformed threading where the barrel shank screws into the action. I bought that rifle new in 2016 and never really shot it much. Just this summer finally decided to send it in.Looking forward to getting that one back soon.

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The "best" I have ever owned began life as a Remington 700 LVSF in .22-250. I rebarreled it to .257 with a Lilja 1-10" twist 3 land and groove barrel in his "REMMAG28" contour fluted to finish 3/4ths of an inch from a 22.5 inch muzzle. The barrel was a touch heavier than the LVSF contour and I had to open up the barrel channel a bit for clearance. Kevin Wyatt from Wyatt's Outdoors did the gunsmithing and he installed one of his long mag boxes so I could load to 2.95 to 2.97 inch OAL. I put a Jewell HVR trigger set around 6 ounces in it with the B spring. Optics .. Leupold 4.5-14X AO. It would put 5 100 grain ballistic tips into just under a quarter inch with 48 grains of H4831, WW +P brass, and Fed 210M primers. It shot under half inch with the same load just exchanging the bullet for 100 grain partitions and also with the same brass, Fed 215s, and 43 grains of H414 under 120 grain partitions.

I spent 4-5 years with a Kimber Montana and just never could get it right. Had the barrel set back and new chambers cut twice .. there was always 1 more thing wrong.

I've pretty much put .25 caliber behind me, sold all my brass, dies, and bullets. After 4-5 .257s and about the same number of .25-'06s and 1 .257W, and not an unlimited number of seasons left, it's time to do something different. I'm not immune to the temptation of Kimber Classic in .257 but I don't think I'll give in.


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