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Afraid to ask if he's sensed anything about me...

There are 3 places around here that crazies can just walk into. Churches, courthouses, and public libraries.

I have no clue as to why he used it, but I believe it to be the standard greeting in the Christian church throughout The Arab world.

Just saying that the phrase itself, while it may be an eyebrow raiser, would not cause me undue alarm. But once my eyebrow is raised the one who raised it will undoubtedly have my attention until I understand better or the situation passes.

I went to basic training with a guy who used this every time he spoke to the drill sergeants. Was amusing to see the drills repeat it back to him, respectfully, and then ream his ass and put him down for push-ups.
Eventually they almost got him to drop the phrase, with them. Yusuf was a good guy with unit pride and a sense of humor. He'd still say it when he was excited...

I don’t mean to take this thread in an untoward direction..... but, this post prompts a question that I have pondered on for quite awhile.

I have some experience dealing with mentally ill people. The questions came to me....”Can a mentally ill person come to a saving knowledge of Jesus or could that mentally ill person even already be born again.”

So, I asked the questions of a man more smarter than me and he got a little bit annoyed at my ignorance and said something like this:

“The answer to both your questions is an unequivocal yes. The brain is simply an organ in the body and it can become sick like any other organ. But, the Holy Spirit can blast right through that illness and deal directly with a man’s inner being. Further, of course a man could be born again and later develop brain illnesses.....that illness has no impact on his eternal destiny.”

I concluded that he was correct and I have never looked at mentally ill people the same since.

This young man sounds like a very confused person. Perhaps he was there looking for answers; perhaps he was making an odd cry for help. Did this happen prior to a service? Sounds like you taught him a lesson in intolerance, at the very least. I understand your caution and attempts to approach and identify as well as your desire to keep a safe environment. It's too bad that we have to look for threats and fear in every situation nowadays. Compassion and understanding have taken a back seat in our world.

I hope you were right and he actually was a threat. I also hope that was not the first, and last, time the young man was in a church.

I actually hope he wasn't a threat. Now he knows one place he's not welcome.

If he is, and was harmless, he chose a bad way to introduce himself to the church.

I also hope he was not a threat.... but yes indeed he knows where he is not welcome. He also learned a bit about what is and is not socially acceptable behavior. Act like a threatening goofball and you will be treated like one.

Regarding whether or not this poor misguided soul was in church for his first or last time...... this is up to him and God.

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I don’t mean to take this thread in an untoward direction..... but, this post prompts a question that I have pondered on for quite awhile.

I have some experience dealing with mentally ill people. The questions came to me....”Can a mentally ill person come to a saving knowledge of Jesus or could that mentally ill person even already be born again.”

So, I asked the questions of a man more smarter than me and he got a little bit annoyed at my ignorance and said something like this:

“The answer to both your questions is an unequivocal yes. The brain is simply an organ in the body and it can become sick like any other organ. But, the Holy Spirit can blast right through that illness and deal directly with a man’s inner being. Further, of course a man could be born again and later develop brain illnesses.....that illness has no impact on his eternal destiny.”

I concluded that he was correct and I have never looked at mentally ill people the same since.[/quote]

One of my dearest friends had a brother born with downs syndrome. He died at the age of 57 a couple of years ago. He was raised in a christian home and everyone that was around him knew he was the real deal when it came to being ready for Heaven. He seemed to sense things in other people that most didn't. I trusted him as much as any human I ever knew. So yes a mentally ill person can be saved. I truly believe Gleny was.

I am guessing this is directed towards me, and if so that's fine but I am not sure how you've come to this conclusion..
I've been involved in enough situations to know that when people are impetuous (even when reasonable to do so, from the sounds of this particular situation), about the worst way to get a handle on the situation is improper questioning procedures by police. If this was the case (which I suspect it wasn't) and that guy was up to something bad, he'd of had a head start on his legal defense. That'd be a step backwards.

We had one in our church about a month ago. Pastor gave me a nod and I went out to my truck and retrieved a 9. Guy left about the same time I came back in and kept walking, I watched him go. All of us were glad to see it.

Hard to practice one's faith faithfully in such circumstances, sure made me question some things.

T,
Colorado is a "Stop and ID", meaning the cops can demand ID for pretty much any reason. In this state is effectively illegal to leave your home without it.

Why wasn't it on you to begin with?

Right ?!?!? I have never taken a pistol into church...that's changed since then.

I will throw this out as food for thought since it is somewhat relevant. Most everything the left is promoting, homosexuals, abortion, same sex marriage, socialism, communism, etc. is in direct opposition to the Christian religion. Why do you think it was so important to close down churches prior to the election and keep them closed?Why does the left promote Islam as a peaceful religion when it supports killing those who do not convert? With the division within our country, I think Christians need to be very aware of the threat of persecution and take it seriously.

T,

regarding the "demand ID" thing, and I may be mistaken as it's been a good number of years, 25+ I think, but I recall a case in San Diego, might have gone to SCOTUS or maybe it was just the Ninth, where the cops demanded ID from a black guy for just walking around in the early morning. As I recall, the case was resolved that the man needed to "identify himself" , but was not required to provide papers.

I could look it up.................but I'm not going to............

Nope. In Colorado, “stop and identify” gives law enforcement officers the authority to require you to identify yourself *if* the officer reasonably suspects you are committing, have committed or are about to commit a crime. Without that reasonable suspicion, they can demand your ID all they want to, and you still don’t have to provide it.

Loads of info out there on the requirement to ID oneself:

https://duckduckgo.com/?t=ffsb&q=legal+requirement+to+identify+oneself&ia=web

our courthouses have been hardened for a spell. usually two or three deputies, check all metal objects.

churches in general are tightening up here. it's by denomination on the one hand, and individual churches in particular. anything from un-armed all the way to open carry.

the grocery stores and libraries are sitting ducks.

Bottom line... Regardless of your state’s law (even if you live in a “stop and identify” state), the police can *never* compel you to identify yourself without reasonable suspicion to believe you’re involved in illegal activity. Period.