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Just an aside concerning the issue of separation of church and state issue I see alluded to here and there. Most have no idea what the Founding Fathers’ wanted to prevent with that concept. It was what Constantine formed in the 4th century when as emperor he joined the Roman church with the empire, making them co-extensive, and linked irrevocably by infant baptism. He wanted a universal (small “c” catholic) church so the Roman Church became the Roman Catholic Church.

You were born into the empire and Christianity simultaneously by the sacrament of infant baptism. Of course this greatly diluted true Christianity by immediately including what was mostly a pagan Roman Empire. But to the point of the Founders, from that point through the Reformation and at many points in between, the church used the state as a tool to suppress and kill “heretics” and dissenters. The church ruled through and via the state.

We’ve been hoodwinked by the humanist culture for sixty years that separation means taking prayer and scripture out of public education, the Ten Commandments off of court house walls, and crosses that are landmarks down; no praying in the public square, or at sporting events, and so forth.

Instead of the church being strong and informing the culture, the culture has informed and cowed the church which for the most part during our lives, has been week. And if it had been strong, the subject of this thread wouldn’t be that much of an issue.

The founders didn’t want Christianity out of the state; in fact, they almost all shared the sentiment that a republic couldn’t stand without a moral (emanating from religion) publi. They just didn’t want Christianity or any religion to control the state and use it to their own end.

I said it because some folks don't think so....it wasn't aimed at you. I should have been clearer.

DBT, what makes you think they are Christians? Watch what the do, not what they say.

Catholics believe in Jesus as the saviour.

Like saying G-dam or G-dammit or cursing at God when you're angry/sad/upset??

All organized religions will turn against the Word, just as they did to crucify JESUS. They are now in the process of crucifying HIM again, by their words and deeds.

Those are well covered in the 10 Commandments.

Blasphemy towards the Holy Spirit is the unforgivable.

Big difference.

Good Points G De.

I think ALSO the Founding Fathers had come out of England's control WHICH included the ?church?
They did NOT want any similitude of Kingship (Queenship) or Religious CONTROL !!

Separation of powers so to speak - Government / Religion.

I agree that they did NOT want Christianity OUT of the state ! For many years Congress opened sessions with PRAYER!
Many will DENY that but it's a Matter of RECORD.

Reference to God & His Word are many in US History. ?? maybe why History has NOT been taught. ??

What our young people have NOT been taught is the REASON so many things today are Protested.
They DON'T know what they don't know.

Shame ! Shame!

I'll just take that as a yes. So, if that's the case, am I screwed when it comes to going to heaven?

Strongly disagree, Brother Jag.

“They” are convicting their own souls thus crucifying themselves via their very own words and their actions.

He was crucified - once. - for us, not twice.

That’s presently in your own hands and your own control.

Old Toot, I'm tired and I feel like we're dancing around this question. I give up.....

Speak clearly and ask specifically what you want to know.

Iirc, our Founders never mentiomed separation of church and state. They provided govt not to interfere with church, not vice versa. In fact, for decades there were legal requirements people who ran for office had to profess a religious belief in God if not Jesus.

The had no idea muzzies and witches would come to take advantage of our religious freedoms as they never considered muzzies and their god were a real religion, which, btw, they are more a political consort.

Thats why our founders came up with swearing an oath on the Holy Bible to take office or testify in court.
To them, to have freedom of religion meant being able to worship God and Jesus as one wished. They provided no options for goat fuggers or witch worshippers. Satans tares provided that.

Or to not worship any Entity at all.

jag & O T

Our "A C L U" has TAKEN advantage of our freedoms and made us SLAVES to them.
And to take ADVANTAGE of us.

That’s right I think, though the phrase was attributed to Jefferson wrongly, IIRC. But they were aware of the concept — freedom of and from religion — which provide the environment in which Christianity flourished such that de Tocqueville thought it — rightly — the strength and uniqueness of America.

If I may...
To me...Nope. Not at all. Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit is only committed when a person believes Jesus had a demon and by the power of the devil He performed His miracles. If you haven’t believed that, and said such, you have ‘not’ committed unforgivable sin...and you’re not screwed when it comes to going to Heaven. Just look at Mark 3:22-30:

And the teachers of the law who came down from Jerusalem said, “He is possessed by Beelzebub! By the prince of demons he is driving out demons.” So Jesus called them and spoke to them in parables: “How can Satan drive out Satan? If a kingdom is divided against itself, that kingdom cannot stand. If a house is divided against itself, that house cannot stand. And if Satan opposes himself and is divided, he cannot stand; his end has come. In fact, no one can enter a strong man's house and carry off his possessions unless he first ties up the strong man. Then he can rob his house. I tell you the truth, all the sins and blasphemies of men will be forgiven them. But whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will never be forgiven; he is guilty of an eternal sin.” He said this because they were saying, “He has an evil spirit.”

Those guys committed blasphemy against the Holy Spirit when they believed and said Jesus had a demon and by the power of the devil he drove out demons. That is what blasphemy of the Holy Spirit is. The only ones Jesus ever said committed unforgivable sin were the ones saying Jesus had an evil spirit and by the power of the devil He was driving out demons.

They all separate you from God equally?
With such trivial "sins" creating this alleged separation how is everyone not always separated from God?

The Constitution says that "Congress shall make no law respecting the establishment of religion.

What does that have to do with "taking prayer and scripture out of public education, the Ten Commandments off of court house walls, and crosses that are landmarks down; no praying in the public square, or at sporting events, and so forth."

Nothing.