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Good for Kimber.

That's not the least bit accurate; Kimber of America was formed & started production in Yonkers, NY is 1993 when Les Edelman started it under that name. Kimber of Oregon in Clackamas, went bankrupt in 1991.

As far as I know, they still have manufacturing facilities in Ridgefield, NJ too.

MM

Bullshit. Union membership, even at the height of the Union era was around 30%. Today it's about 9%. There might have been a place for unions 150 years ago, but no more. Today they are like an albatross around industry. GM for example, has a 15 BILLION dollar nut to crack in payola pensions, etc before they turn the first nickel of profit. I have to deal with unions with our employees and I have a fairly benign union to deal with (unlike the thigs at the UAW, or IAM), but unions basically "pay me more so I can work less." Your assertion that good healthcare/pensions are because of unions is nonsense. Those mainly came about in the post WWII era when companies had to lure employees. NOTHING to do with unions.

Prevailing wages in states vary.

Prevailing wages in cities vary.

Business freindly right to work states are drawing em in.

Unions had a place long ago in a galaxy far away.

Their historical changes in labor overall made impact.

They ride too much on that from the past.

Union labor is out of control for results attained mostly in this day and age.

12 to 15 bucks an hour in areas of the nation are probably really good starting out wages for entry level positions.

In other high cost of living area,s IE... mostly Liberal Socialist Democrat states and cities with huge tax burdens on the worker and company to support the nonworking leeches who vote in that state and their state worker pensions.
Then those higher wages they have, get kinda offset by the overall tax burden from sales taxes, fuel taxes, property taxes, income taxes .
And the inflated cost of everything also from a package of poptarts to a home and everything in between.
Ect ect ect ..



I think it is a great thing when a company moves from a over taxed Liberal Socialist Democrat state to conservative state that aint.
It is a shift of economic power, which translates into political power when more companies relocate to conservative states.

And the states give companies tax incentives to come to their states.
Which is not a bad thing.
Creating jobs where none like them existed before cant be a bad thing.
And if said companies make more profit from not paying union wages and taxes in liberal Socialist Democrat schitholes .
So be it ....
They are still paying a good prevailing wage for the area they relocate too in ratio to that areas cost of living

This is all only common business sense.....

Let the economic shift continue and let these Liberal Socialist Democrat states suffer the pain.
Loss of Benjamins is what they need to feel.
Then they can tax the schit outta the fools that have companies in em even more and that will force them leaving also in time.

These Liberal Socialist Democrat states are like a snake eating its own tail and they dont realize it will continue.....
Idiots ............

Yep. Eventually the Socialist Democrat states will run out of other people's money.

It seems to me Kimber sells 1911 Porn pieces. All dressed up and looking for a pard with kash.

I just hope with all the new northern people coming down that they don't screw it up like they did Nashville.

You decry your employees for wishing to work less but earn more, but you want them to work more and earn less, correct? There has got to be a counterbalance to the excesses of unrestrained Capitalism and a strong Union presence is one of the best ways to achieve that balance. My Father was Union then Company, I've seen the excesses of both. You are right, there was never a majority Union workforce, but in the 50's, 60's, and 70's when Union membership was high, non-Union employers had to keep pace. The direct correlation between declining working class standards of living and a steep decline in Union membership cannot be denied.

Northern unions are a cult. Their members have lost the ability to think for themselves and they're subservient to a collective.

Detroit and Flint Michigan, among others, were killed by the union cult. All of the big union cities are dying and the southeastern U.S. is collecting what's left of American manufacturing.

Oh it can't be denied alright, those jobs moved overseas.

Those Blue States don't know any better. I dare anyone that lives in a Blue state to tell me that living there in this century is better then when they were responsibly run last century.

Good. The interactions I’ve had with the Troy people have been hands down better than my prior Kimber CS interactions.

Are you still going to post here after the Democrats your union supports and pays for take away your guns?

You're ridiculous.

Companies don't want to be union free in order to pay workers less. They want to be union free so they can pay the good workers more thqn the poor ones. Unions try to dumb down all the workers.

Union free companies pay workers just as much as as unionized companies of the same size in the same industries. But their workers are better. If an industry has a mix, the union free companies eventually drive the unionized workers out of business.

Just take a look at what the NEA has done to our schools, they protect some of the worse teachers and faculty members , and thats just one example !

There are plenty of experienced production workers and tool room machinists like my son-in-law who got cut off at the knees by Remington in Huntsville. Even if he has to live in an efficiency apartment and commute on weekends for a while, I'm pretty sure he would be glad to make Kimbers instead of Remingtons. There are a few hundred guys just like him.

having worked in the non-union side of a mixed company we got to see the value of the union... we were paid more and had FAR better bonuses just to keep us motivated to reject the unions courtship. The company paid more to the Union side but they got FAR less as employees. The union made out well.

My few interactions with Montana, Alabama, and Troy/Yonkers was equally horrible and I just had a barrel set-back and rechambered because it was way out of spec. It made a trip to NY and a trip to Alabama without the first capable move on the part of the Kimber morons.

Success seems to be a firearm manufacturers downfall rather than their path to longevity in the modern business world. When Kimber, Dakota and a host of other young start up companies started making firearms, they were in tune to the customers needs and eager to produce a product that maybe wasn't well represented in the market at the time. They would bend over backwards to put the best product out there and work with the customer at almost any cost. The first Coopers that came out would rival custom rifles in quality of wood, fit and finish at more than fair prices. As a company like that grows market share, they catch the attention of investors who want in on the bandwagon, they view it as a IPO as sort. With larger corporate involvement, the ability to deal with the consumer directly starts to ease away. In the end they become a financial overgrown beast that it's own legs won't support anymore. Yep, the time to grab on to a new upstart product is in it's infancy before it grows into something it's creators never envisioned it to become by corporate investors.

I'd think that is a positive move.

I have one Kimber, a used Classic .308 I traded for.

It really shoots great with the replacement Broughton 5C barrel. The OEM barrel was terrible and Kimber wasn't too excited about fixing it. They said a 1 1/2" .308 was within spec. Their's maybe, not mine. Gun now shoots half inch (or even better) with the right loads, at least MOA with about anything/everything.

Amazing what a good barrel will do for a rifle....

DF