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What is zero? is the correct answer.

Oops, I shouldn't have watched Alex Trebek tonight.

I should have invested the time and did a web search on that rather than guess. But than I would been accused of doing research on a topic that didn�t involve the same 5 creation web sites.

Good, and accurate, guess!

Sanlen,

I'm not going to read back through the posts so forgive me if I don't say this quite right but I remember you saying something about the last paragraph in Darwin's book.

Were you(if you remember back) speaking of this line:

"There is grandeur in this view of life, with its several powers, having been originally breathed by the Creator into a few forms or into one;..."

FYI, the Creator part was not added until the second edition in 1860. Not a commentary on my part as to why he may have added it or left it out of the first edition. I just thought you might be interested(while I had my reproduction of the first edition out).

Never read that line. But I like it.

It pretty much sums up my personal beliefs about life.

You are going to hell. Sorry to inform you.

I have finished packing for that Kayak trip. So I won't be around for a while. Looking for the elusive smallmouth bass. Camping out of the yak under the stars gets me a whole lot closer to God than this stuff ever will. Have a good night everyone. I enjoyed the debate.

I don't have any link or scientific data to prove this. Sorry. But smallmouth fishing rocks. So that FACT can't be debated. As for proof within the Bible.

http://net.bible.org/verse.php?book=gen&chapter=9&verse=3

Everything that lives and moves will be food for you. Just as I gave you the green plants, I now give you everything. Genesis 9:3

And I intend to live up to this....

humm sorry I miss understood your response right after the post. That is why I believed you got directly insulted. My apologies. Wish me luck with the smallmouth fishing.

Saint Augustine does not agree on the literal translation of Genesis. He taught this approx 1700 years ago; 1500a before evolution was ever discovered.

I'm sorry sir, but that does not make it right.

I didn't say if he was right or wrong. Everything I have researched, so far, tells me that 'Saint Augustine does not agree on the literal translation of Genesis.' Do you have any sources that differ? Is that the line you have issue with?

You swing Augustine like he was a club to bolster your position, or possibly opposition to what God says happened. What if there were (and I know several personally) two men that said that Genesis is word for word accurate and to be taken completely literally? Would that change your mind on the literalness of Genesis? I trow not.

No, not swinging any club. Presented a fact so anybody(at least critical thinkers) can then decide whether it should have any influence on their beliefs. What's wrong with that?

To answer your question: As a critical thinker, if you had presented more information on the two men and their thoughts, I would consider their position(s) carefully before deciding if it would have any influence on my beliefs. With the very limited information you have given, their position(s) have little or no influence.

Augustine's delusion is not a fact, it is an opinion.

If by 'delusion' you mean his thoughts on Genesis, it is fact that he believed Genesis was read to literally. I cannot find any reliable research that says he taught anything different.

You have a nice day, SakoA. I will not be giving you any cause to beef up your post count any further on this thread - - - - for sure this time.

Obligatory declarations and notices:

"The attached statement is not intended to be a proof of creation, an attempt to prove that evolution is false, or any combination there of."


There is a school of thought, to which I am a proponent, that holds that one of the purposes of the book of Genesis was to "unlearn" the Israelites the doctrine taught them over the 400 plus years they were in egypt. This teaching was very similar to the tenets of modern evolutionary thought. While the advanced cosmology, biology, geology and archeology of today was missing, their current level of understanding was used. The specific issues that are the same for both the ancient Hebrews and modern Christians are the philosophical implications involved with humanism.


Post opinion disclaimers:

At no time was there a conscious attempt in the above information to use scientific data to either prove or disprove the theory of evolution, or creation. Opinions of others either reacting or responding to the above information do not respresent the opinion of this writer.

SakoAlberto,

That indeed the portion I had in mind.

I'd say he knows the truth by now.

(Darwin, too)

Good.


It does make me wonder why he added 'the Creator', whether it was pressure from organized religion(pope?) or whether it was part of his own philosophical beliefs.

In my opinion(there's the disclaimer ) it is more pararllel to my current beliefs with the Creator added.

Yes, I'd imagine by now God has shown Darwin a full understanding of how He created life and then diversified it by evolution.