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Isn’t the 30-06 just a longer, less efficient cased 6.5 Creedmoor with less aerodynamic and fatter bullets that fall faster and don’t buck the wind as well?
Asking for a friend...... Yeah, but resorting to logic won’t work with this crowd. Hard to buck the logic of petting zoo distances for game animals shot from a tree house. Grins 😎
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He used what he was told to use. Not saying his choice would be different, just saying - understand it was issued, not selected for the most part.
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Mine can change into a 6.5 with a simple barrel swap.
6.5x55 that is.
I think that makes it mo betta.
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Yes! The Swedish Mauser!!
If there is any round that is better than the 30-06 it is the Swede!
Swede boys kill polar bears with 'em.
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He actually used both. The 30-06 early in a model 70 I believe. Then later he used a 308.
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I do not believe the 308 is ever mentioned in "Marine Sniper". But I might be mistaken, it has been about thirty years since I have seen a copy of the book.
Yes, I used to own a 30-06, actually two. Both were cheap push feed Win 670 w/ birch stocks. Both wore the same Weaver V7, and I killed a few freezers full of deer with them.
Each was equally capable of taking a grouse's head off at 80 yds. But alas boredom brought about the sale of the last '06 in my collection. I replaced it with a 7 mm STW for heavy work and a 260 Rem for deer.
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Man, if only someone had tried to match the .30-06 ballistics in a creedmoor, someone who was offering a really innovative rifle using input from the leaders of the custom rifle industry. Someone who knows how to exploit a niche like weird handguns in rifle calibers. Nah, TC would never offer a .30 Creedmoor. The Creedmoor name would never sell.
If only they tried selling a .30 cal Creedmoor but with their own name .30TC would really be a homerun...... Necking it down to 6.5 could be left to Comp Loonies and other degenerates.
I think I may still have the Precision Shooter Mag with DD on the back introducing the 6.5 Creedmoor built off the .30 TC
A good friend had an article someone wrote about him and Team USA so I hung onto it. 6.5 kind of slow fizzled awhile.
Like the -06, really liked the 9.3x62 as well. On the list of guns that should’ve stayed in my safe rather than moved to someone else’s.
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Funny thing... most people that have been shot with a 30-06 still said "OW".
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W.D.M. Bell used a 7mm Mauser to kill elephants. He shot them between the eyes with FMJ bullets or between the eye and the ear from the side. Brained them. You really don't need a big gun. With the right bullets almost any caliber could kill almost anything if you hit them in the right spot.
The 30-06 was king of the hill for over 100 years, and probably still is. The 308 is probably a close second, followed by the 30-30. Like someone said, you can find ammo almost anywhere for those three calibers.
Other calibers have been made from the 30-06 case. 25-06, 270, 280, 338-06, and 35 Whelen. I think they even made a 400 Whelen. All are good cartridges for their purpose.
The baby 30-06, the 308, has several calibers made from it's case also. The 243, 7mm 08, the 338 Federal, and the 358. All of these are also good cartridges.
I don't think any other cartridge was made into other calibers than these two. Maybe the 223 is the exception. 223 has been necked up to 243, 270 and 300. Not much else.
I don't think any foreign cartridges have been done this way. Was the 8mm Mauser necked up to 9.3 x 62? Oh, and I forgot the 300 WM was necked down to 7mm Rem Mag, up to 338 WM, and 458 WM.
However I think the parent cartridge of the 300 WM was the 375 H&H.
But the king of the hill still is the 30-06. Every big game animal in North America is legal with it and with the 55 gr Sabot bullets varmints, as well as most everything in Africa except the big 5 dangerous game animals. You are missing a few. The 338 Win begat the 264 Win and 7MM Rem. The 300 Win is a different case with a longer body. The 8MM mauser brought us the 7x57, 6.5x57, 257 Roberts, and even a 5.56x57. The 260 Rem is also derived from the 308. Roy Weatherby took that 338 Win case, gave it radiused shoulders and necked it to 257, 270, and 7mm. Then there is the 300 Savage, 250-3000, and 22-250. With some more modern derivations which have come along recently. The Creed is pretty close to being a 250-3000 Improved with neck variations. The 375 H&H begat the 300 H&H, 8MM Remington 7MM STW, 300 Wea, and 340 Wea. It was shortened and improved to make the 338 Win and 458 Win. When it comes to cartridge design, there has been very little ground up development since the 1920s. Most of what we have over the last 100 years has just been an alteration of an existing basic cartridge. To my knowledge, the 375 Ruger and Ruger compact magnums are a couple of rare exceptions. All these guys that want to be gun writers. Thanks for the lesson. I'm sick and tired of people that can't stick to the topic of the thread.
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Funny thing... most people that have been shot with a 30-06 still said "OW". Many never had the chance.
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I would not debate the track record of the 30-06
Still sick and tired of hearing about it.
Anybody got a 30-06 Creedmoor?
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Think I’ve a copy of the book but Library isn’t back together yet. I can’t remember now if it mentions the .308. I sort of think it did but not any of the kills with it. My book was purchased in the last 10 years so I’m not sure if it’s the same as the original or could be a few books I’m blending. Memory is a terrible thing to lose.
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I would not debate the track record of the 30-06
Still sick and tired of hearing about it.
Anybody got a 30-06 Creedmoor?
See my post on the .30 TC I’m guessing there’s a few Icons floating around still chambered in it. Mine was a 7-08 but recall TC pushed their cartridge in publications. Really wish the Icon had caught on more. Integral aluminum bedding block in a nicely figured walnut laminated with CF liner in the middle. Integral rail, nice trigger, 3 lug bolt that came apart in seconds, 3 recoil lugs, 3 action screws, 5R barrel, 3 pos safety, etc. About all they missed was an aluminum/metal magazine or giving the metal floor plate as an option in the short action. I’m not a fan of poly mags.
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Regardless of what your opinion of the caliber...when was the last time anyone used the word "aught" in a different context. Had a Great Uncle that always said he was born in nineteen aught twelve. I can use it twice. My grandfather was born in nineteen aught-aught. 
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All of you 30-06 lovers are very considerate, polite, and I might even offer up, civilized, compared to the Creedmoor crowd.
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Does anyone on this forum actually not own one?!
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Isn’t the 30-06 just a longer, less efficient cased 6.5 Creedmoor with less aerodynamic and fatter bullets that fall faster and don’t buck the wind as well?
Asking for a friend...... Yeah, but resorting to logic won’t work with this crowd. Wait a minute. Just who determined the creedmoor has those advantages? I want to see some proof of that.
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