Home Forums Hunting & Shooting Hunter's Campfire I have a “God’s Purpose” question.

Well said.

What could those children have done through
their freewill to avoid such fate ? 🤔

slum, Sorry got nothing for you on this one.

I do struggle with things such as this incident. Just as I struggle with things such as childhood cancer. To me, there is a brutal fact of the Christian faith. And here it is, it’s one that’s easy to lose sight of. There is a cause and effect relationship between sin and suffering. I’m not referring to the personal level (sinful) behavior of people that results in suffering. The cause and effect relationship between sin and suffering that I’m referring to goes beyond personal level behavior. It is a global reality. There is a global relationship between sin and suffering. That is the brutal fact. It’s not fair, and it takes things out of our control. When sin entered the world, it held the door open for sorrow, death, illness, and despair. They snuck in right behind sin. When sin entered the world, all of these other awful things came in along with it. Jesus’ message is a message of hope that never loses sight of this brutal fact...that sin is making its way through the world and will touch every single human being. It’s hard for people to grasp the fact that there is a global relationship between sin and suffering, between sin, sorrow, and death. They don’t seem to understand that connection, or it’s simply hard for them to grasp it. These bad things happen because sin is wreaking havoc in the world. The presence of sin in the world is why bad things such as this incident happen. It’s a consequence, a global consequence, of sin in the world. If we lose faith because somehow sin and suffering don't line up with our theology, maybe we have the wrong theology. It’s a myth that somehow only good things happen to good people and bad things happen to bad people. Christianity has never taught that God doesn't allow bad things to happen to good people. In fact, it’s just the opposite. Christians believe that the worst possible thing happened to the best possible person, who was completely innocent of any wrongdoing at all, ever. There is hope, but our hope is not in solving the global consequences of sin in the world. Our hope is in the person who came to address the ultimate issue. Which is not illness. It's not sickness. It's not pain. It’s not death. The ultimate issue is sin. And the brute fact of Christianity is there is a relationship between sin, sorrow, and ultimately death. Sin will have its way today but not forever. Jesus’ followers don’t believe we reign in life by devoting our lives to preserving our lives. Jesus’ followers believe we reign in life by following the One who offered abundant life (real life) and the ultimate and final solution for sin. In the meantime, we are to do exactly what our first-century brothers and sisters did as they lived in the conflict of this future hope...but in a world that was racked by pain, illness, suffering, and death. The author of Hebrews said “Let us then approach God's throne of grace with confidence, that we may receive mercy and find grace to help us in our time of need.” We’re gonna go through suffering and pain...some more than others. There is a hope, but there is this brutal fact that we cannot get around...but we can come to God with confidence and we will receive mercy and we will receive grace. It’s a promise. We will receive grace and mercy in our time of need. Again, that’s a promise. When sin entered the world, death was right on its heels...as was sorrow, illness, pain, and despair. This is the reality that is hard for us to get our hearts and minds around. And this is why incidents such as the one which initiated this thread happen. We don’t like it. It’s not fair. But there it is.

One day, things will be as we know they should be. One day, there will be no more sin, no more sorrow, no more crying, no more pain, and no more death. But not yet.

Maybe its as simple as" [bleep] happens."

“Again I saw that under the sun the race is not to the swift, nor the battle to the strong, nor bread to the wise, nor riches to the intelligent, nor favor to those with knowledge, but time and chance happen to them all.”

Ecclesiastes 9:11

Antlers hit the nail on the head perfectly..

Didn't take long for judgmental "christian" pricks to chime in.

What Antler said is spot on, thank you.

Another perspective. How do you know these kids were not going to grow up to be serial killers, or suffer way beyond their current fate? How do you know this was not actually a blessing?

If you don't know already, Antlers doesn't identify
as a christian.

They died just like everyone will. Death is a blip in time. Physical death is meaningless in God's greater plan.

Free will is not involved in every death, obviously. Accdents happen

I did not know that. What does he identify as?

Here it is Slum Buddy:

Anyone who tells you it was God's Will is a F'ing Liar.

That's it in a nutshell.

Why we all have to die goes back to Adam and Eve. Especially Eve. But I digress. None of us will make it out alive. So therefore ask your questions to God directly and he will answer in his time and his way.

What about the freewill choices of the driver
effecting the fate of the children ?

accidents just don't happen, people make choices
that lead to them...(cause and effect.)



Best let Antlers explain it away, but at a minimum
hes no less than what many would deem a heretic..

Antlers, is this true?

Actually accidents do happen. The world is not deterministic. That said, free will choices also happen.

Theology divides evil into two types: natural and moral. Natural evil are things that happen when no free will choice is involved. Moral evil is the result of evil free will choices.

Yep. Slum asked a legitimate question (human nature) - JM and VG/VD felt threatened by a perceived attack on their faith so went on to chastise.

This is where we, as mortals get it all wrong IMO.
God put us here to die... to ultimately be in paradise with him. Really, really strong spiritual people do no fear death, but look forward to being with God. Our feeble minds cannot comprehend the peace, love and beauty that Heaven holds... says so in the Bible. Earth is NOT paradise, and life is not easy. What we do with our time here on this big spinning ball is what matters, not how much we enjoy it. Regardless, someone who has true joy (not happiness, but joy), finds contentment in all walks.

Natural events/calamities are not accidents,
they still come about through cause and effect.

The driver has been charged , so at this stage it
seems he did something in his free will to ultimately effect the fate of those children., so the incident was no mere accident exonherating him of responsibility.

C'mon, you're just using made up sh it to try and shift any responsibility away from god for all the bad crap that happens. Nice try though