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Re: having trouble getting groups [Re: Solheim] #15471641 11/30/20
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You want groups you clean every shot the same way every time . Switch to loose grain powder and you will be happy .


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Re: having trouble getting groups [Re: Solheim] #15471994 11/30/20
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Seasoning was a thing years ago with BP. Applying a non-petroleum lube was supposed to season your barrel like an iron frying pan and make loading and cleaning easier. No application to my knowledge with BH, perhaps with 777 or other stuff you clean out with water, but not with sabots, again as best I can remember. Some say waiting a bit between shots helps keep the sabots from being affected by a hot barrel, and others recommend swabbing out between every shot. I want to be able to fire at least three shots without waiting or wiping. BH and Harvester Crush Ribs permit that easily.

BTW, the special primers for 777 were designed to cut down on the crud ring by being milder than standard 209s. BH 209 wants all the fire you can give it. CCI 209 mags are good, if they fit your plug well, and regular Winchesters work well for me too. Keep an eye on your flash channel to be certain it’s clear too.

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Originally Posted by Solheim
Im using triple 7 50gr 2 pellets and 250gr Hornady sabots and both the cva accura and the t/c encore will not group both have leupold ultimate slam scopes everything is tights as rings and base. just wondering about a different powder bullet combo.

Solheim, load up the Hornadys with 110 g volume of Blackhorn....3" high at 100 yds and reach out there to 200 yds and you will be happy if your aim is good. I shoot an older Knight and use to use 777 pellets years ago but Blackhorn uped the game when it hit the market. I only run one patch between shots and will stack them on a quarter....check zero every year and never have to change a thing.

Re: having trouble getting groups [Re: Solheim] #15476803 12/01/20
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Originally Posted by Solheim
Im using triple 7 50gr 2 pellets and 250gr Hornady sabots and both the cva accura and the t/c encore will not group both have leupold ultimate slam scopes everything is tights as rings and base. just wondering about a different powder bullet combo.


Ditch the pellets for starters .Maybe your rifle prefers 80 or 95 or 105gr's. Bore Butter is an absolute joke. Never use it for any reason. Almost every muzzle loader I've ever owned 2,3,4th shots were the most accurate. Mine all loved a fouled barrell and thats where 777 powder shines. Clean between every shot? well I outta go Big Stick on your retarded cachunt licking azz! So people are gonna clean there bore with a spit patch between shots hunting? Come on man.... wow! you need to get powder, get different bullets and shoot your fing arse off. You've been led to water... smile smile smile


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Re: having trouble getting groups [Re: Solheim] #15476825 12/01/20
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Originally Posted by Solheim
No I was using boar butter the first few just for seasoning. I was able to find BH and white hot so I picked up one of each.


I'm sorry! Laffin my azz off! It ain't a cast iron skillet! Its a friggin rifle barrel! Hell I've sent a 5th and 6th shot down range that would blow most 30-30's away in the accuracy dept. Have fun and enjoy finding your sweet spot!


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Re: having trouble getting groups [Re: Solheim] #15488151 12/05/20
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Try Powerbelts before you try another solution.

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Re: having trouble getting groups [Re: Solheim] #15507343 12/10/20
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First thing first, you need to get a measurement on that barrel. Get a lead bullet and "slug the barrel" then measure it with a good set of calipers. Get a bullet/sabot combo that will suck the slack up.

For instance if the barrel is .502" you wouldn't want to use a .451 bullet and looser fitting Hornady sabots. I would use a larger .452 bullet like the SST 250ML then use a good sabot for the charge like a crush rib. If I'm using a Magnum charge I would use a magnum rated sabot like the Black Crush Rib or maybe a MMP HPH/24. Or let's say a Powerbelt, the 270 Platnum or 250 Aerolite in a .- 500" barrel under a mag load.

250 Hornady in quick sabots should be decent if not pushing them hard, like with with the 100gr load posted. However if the barrel is on the large side range (I've seen and heard of many like .498" - .506") then it won't matter because its probably too sloppy.

Also check you local hinting regs, you might not be able to use sabots. In this case you would start the adventure with full bore conical.

Good luck!


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Re: having trouble getting groups [Re: Solheim] #15523471 12/14/20
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I would thoroughly clean the barrel. You want it clean and dry, no bore butter, oil, etc. period. I would switch to a different bullet first. If that didn’t solve the problem, I would go to BH209 and test. Some muzzleloaders will not shoot better than an 1&1/2” at 100. And yes, with 777, I would run a couple patches to remove as much of the crud ring as possible between shots. The only shot that matters is the first. I would try to get as close to that condition as possible with every shot.

Re: having trouble getting groups [Re: Solheim] #15602827 01/03/21
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I agree with the others that are saying, No bore butter with sabots.
Bore butter has been great for my patched roundball rifle and a lubed felt wad over the powder helped too.
In an inline with a sabot you're squeegeeing all the lube down into the powder.
Shoot with a clean dry bore.
A little resistance from the sabot to the bore helps the powder burn consistently. A Too loose or slippery bullet fit hasn't worked at all for my rifles.


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Re: having trouble getting groups [Re: Solheim] #15633547 01/09/21
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Blackhorn,harvester cr sabot and any bullet I chose works in my prohunter and tradition pursuit

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Re: having trouble getting groups [Re: Pappy348] #15634879 01/09/21
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Originally Posted by Pappy348
Seasoning was a thing years ago with BP. Applying a non-petroleum lube was supposed to season your barrel


That was mostly marketing, I think the idea being to get people to clean and stay petroleum free.
The grease companies sold for lube was awful stuff. And the combination mess it made with Pyrodex was nasty muck. So having something easily obtained that wasn't petrolium grease or crisco made for big changes. Pellet and plastic experts who say that bore butter or similar made lubes are garbage should be ignored.

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Agree with all the above. Ditch the pellets. I prefer blackhorn 209 with win 209 primers and PR extreme elite bullets. Shoots lights out in my omega.

Re: having trouble getting groups [Re: Solheim] #15643623 01/11/21
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I swear by Blackhorn 209. Easy to clean, and loads easy shot to shot. When my Encore groups started opening up, changed the rubber o-ring on the breech plug. Groups tightened back up. Make sure you don't use muzzleloader primers with Blackhorn. It requires 209 magnum primers.

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