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Is CFE 223 suitable for the Garand? On the burn rate chart I saw - it was outside of the parameters of Imr 3031 and IMR 4320.
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I don't know why not. It's a slow burn rate so you may want to get an adjustable gas valve so you don't bend your op rod.
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It's your op rod, not mine. Good luck.
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Mark, from what I've read on the CMP forums, the advice is not to use it in a Garand.
If you were to, a GarandGear plug would smooth things out quite a bit.
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H-4895 if you have it is the primo Garand powder.
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IMR4895 is the powder originally specified by the Government. H4895 works just fine as does IMR 4064 which many claim to be more accurate.
One I have found to work well in VV N135, very clean burning. N140 is used also, but I have no experience with it.
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Thanks, guys - just wondered, as I've seen loads published for it. Checked out a burn rate chart, then asked.
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I use IMR 4895, H 4895, IMR 4064 Varget, and VV n 140. CFE 223 is right below BL-C2 so I don't see a problem with using in an M1.
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I have a John Barsness article from the October 2018 Handloader and he uses 150 grain Power Points with IMR4895, H4895 IMR4064, A2495, RL15 and Varget. With 168 grain Berger VLD's he also adds VV-N140 to the mix. He found Varget to be the most accurate with 150 grain bullets and IMR 4064 and VV-N140 with the 168's.
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I still have that issue of Handloader and it's a great article. But I'll admit that about the only things I've ever burned in a Garand were IMR 4895 & 4064 which both work well but I've been tempted to try others that are on the "approved" list. ( if I could ever find any).
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FYI. There is a Utube video by Jeremy Cheek testing the M1 with many types of ammo, both military and civilian. Many different bullet weights and powder types. He set up a high speed camera to record the op-rod speed with each different load/weight. Plus there is a downloadable chart that lists all the different op-rod speeds so a person can compare. He properly lubed the rifle and installed a new Orion 7 recoil spring, and used the original gas screw. Not a vented one like Shuster.
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NRA "approved" Garand loads : https://www.mdshooters.com/showthread.php?t=234195Also, Hornady's load manual (10th) has a complete section devoted to loads for the Garand.
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viking - it would, but would also require me to find the dies and necessary components' as I don't load 6.5X55. Not at this time - and the way the market is - I may run "out of time" first!
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I prefer classic. Semper Fi I used to run with the hare. Now I'm envious of the tortoise and I do my own stunts but rarely intentionally
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viking - it would, but would also require me to find the dies and necessary components' as I don't load 6.5X55. Not at this time - and the way the market is - I may run "out of time" first! I could set ya up with a die set Mark... just sayin, in case yer thinkin'....
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IMR4895. Designed for the Garand and still works best.
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viking - it would, but would also require me to find the dies and necessary components' as I don't load 6.5X55. Not at this time - and the way the market is - I may run "out of time" first! I could set ya up with a die set Mark... just sayin, in case yer thinkin'.... John, you know me - the last thing I "need", right now, is another project! Come down this summer - I've got corrals that need an overhaul! Might get in some trigger time, though.
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I too rely solely on IMR 4895 for Garand use. But, with the powder situation being what it is, the several year supply of IMR 4895 I have might be called upon to stretch a little farther. To that end, a can of AA 2520 is calling to me. It would appear to have a "safe" burn rate, faster than Varget, but would you use it in a Garand? It's one of a bunch of different powders I bought over the years and never got around to trying in anything.
I guess I might be forced at some point to break the seal on the four-pounder of RL-15 too, but after reading JB's dismal report on the performance he got with it in a Garand I should probably relegate it to the .250-3000's I shoot, where it shines.
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