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Re: SxS Shotgun Hunting cra1948 #15694307 01/23/21
Joined: Sep 2005 Posts: 2,799 Likes: 1 K Kaiser Norton Campfire Regular
Kaiser Norton Campfire Regular K Joined: Sep 2005 Posts: 2,799 Likes: 1	Originally Posted by cra1948 Other than waterfowl, for which I use a modern, 3 1/2" gas-operated repeater for open water divers, the only shotgun I hunt with any more is my Merkel 1620, double triggers, straight grip, VZ and 1/2 choke. I also have a Fox Sterlingworth 16 gauge and had an Ithaca 16 gauge SXS that my brother liked so..... I could get it back but won't. Occasionally, I'll use my 12 gauge Ruger Red Label 12 bore, an early 80's gun that has proven to be bulletproof. I usually use the Ruger when I'm going with a group I've never hunted with before and don't want to look too high-falutin', but also don't want to miss anything. For the life of me, I don't know why anyone with average means would want anything but a refined, 16 gauge SXS to hunt upland birds with. All this blather about chokes and shot sizes....a 16 gauge sxs choked ic and mod or mod and mod or mod and full with 1 1/8 ounces of 5 shot will do anything anyone wants it to do. Quail maybe? okay, 71/2's. Go with minimum 28" barrels. The short-barrel shotgun nonsense has been exposed as such for decades. A shotgun is all about smooth, coordinated movement: not herky-jerkey throw the sucker up and let off a blast. Don't give me any bullschitt about "Oh, in the New England fugging jungles where I hunt...." No one has hunted grouse and woodcock in thicker schitt than I have. Those who think chopping a couple inches off the barrel of their shotgun (or rifle for that matter) gives them some great advantage would be better off losing 20 pounds and learning how to shoot. Man, I'm starting to sound like a curmudgeon, aren't I. About fugging time, I've earned it. Good advice here. A quality made 16ga SxS should weigh in the neighborhood of 6.5lbs - running right alongside a similar 20ga in weight, allowing comfortable carry throughout a long day in the field. I've a short-chambered Sauer for which I use the B&P F2 Classic load (1 oz of #5s) - thumps the snot out of my ND roosters and sharptails. Also functions through my Remington M11, my Winchester 1897 (also short chambered), and my Citori - making it a do-all load for me, which I buy by the case. FYI - Scheels in Fargo, ND has a Dickinson 16ga in their display case for $1599 - Straight grip, checkered butt, case-hardened receiver, 28 inch barrels with interechangeable chokes, extractors. I'm not in love with case-hardening and the gun felt a bit heavy to me, but it sure pointed nice. Kaiser Norton The Kaiser- "If it ain't broke, I can fix that!"

Re: SxS Shotgun Hunting gkt5450 #15694335 01/23/21
Joined: Dec 2005 Posts: 3,758 CA O Old Ornery Campfire Tracker
Old Ornery Campfire Tracker O Joined: Dec 2005 Posts: 3,758 CA	Where are Berger Helice SXS's made? Are they decent shotguns? I saw this: https://www.gunsinternational.com/g...weight-sxs-bird-gun.cfm?gun_id=101560291 Ha, while looking on Gunsinternational, two SXS sold while watching. Last edited by Old Ornery; 01/23/21.

Re: SxS Shotgun Hunting gkt5450 #15694417 01/23/21
Joined: Mar 2008 Posts: 15,648 North Flint Hills O oldtrapper Campfire Ranger
oldtrapper Campfire Ranger O Joined: Mar 2008 Posts: 15,648 North Flint Hills	There have been several recommendations for Fox Sterlingworths. Quite agree. There are many good reasons why. AH Fox guns have very few moving parts and their bolting mechanism is virtually self tightening because it employs a rotary bolt that engages a barrel extension. They also, in my experience have a nice dynamic feel. I have an ejector grade 20 with 30 in. tubes. It is sweet and a real bird smacker. As with all these old guns one needs to plan for a bit of stock adjustment. I restocked mine with an English style straight rhomboid grip. Did it myself and learned a lot about stock fit. If you do it yourself, you won't be out much using a plain grade of walnut. It was fun and the gun is a real classic upland piece. ;-{>8 https://postimg.cc/xXjW1cqx/81efa4c5 Soli Deo Gloria democrats ARE the plague.

Re: SxS Shotgun Hunting Kaiser Norton #15694441 01/23/21
Joined: Jun 2020 Posts: 10,203 Likes: 6 Michigan TheLastLemming76 Campfire Outfitter
TheLastLemming76 Campfire Outfitter Joined: Jun 2020 Posts: 10,203 Likes: 6 Michigan	Originally Posted by Kaiser Norton Originally Posted by cra1948 Other than waterfowl, for which I use a modern, 3 1/2" gas-operated repeater for open water divers, the only shotgun I hunt with any more is my Merkel 1620, double triggers, straight grip, VZ and 1/2 choke. I also have a Fox Sterlingworth 16 gauge and had an Ithaca 16 gauge SXS that my brother liked so..... I could get it back but won't. Occasionally, I'll use my 12 gauge Ruger Red Label 12 bore, an early 80's gun that has proven to be bulletproof. I usually use the Ruger when I'm going with a group I've never hunted with before and don't want to look too high-falutin', but also don't want to miss anything. For the life of me, I don't know why anyone with average means would want anything but a refined, 16 gauge SXS to hunt upland birds with. All this blather about chokes and shot sizes....a 16 gauge sxs choked ic and mod or mod and mod or mod and full with 1 1/8 ounces of 5 shot will do anything anyone wants it to do. Quail maybe? okay, 71/2's. Go with minimum 28" barrels. The short-barrel shotgun nonsense has been exposed as such for decades. A shotgun is all about smooth, coordinated movement: not herky-jerkey throw the sucker up and let off a blast. Don't give me any bullschitt about "Oh, in the New England fugging jungles where I hunt...." No one has hunted grouse and woodcock in thicker schitt than I have. Those who think chopping a couple inches off the barrel of their shotgun (or rifle for that matter) gives them some great advantage would be better off losing 20 pounds and learning how to shoot. Man, I'm starting to sound like a curmudgeon, aren't I. About fugging time, I've earned it. Good advice here. A quality made 16ga SxS should weigh in the neighborhood of 6.5lbs - running right alongside a similar 20ga in weight, allowing comfortable carry throughout a long day in the field. I've a short-chambered Sauer for which I use the B&P F2 Classic load (1 oz of #5s) - thumps the snot out of my ND roosters and sharptails. Also functions through my Remington M11, my Winchester 1897 (also short chambered), and my Citori - making it a do-all load for me, which I buy by the case. FYI - Scheels in Fargo, ND has a Dickinson 16ga in their display case for $1599 - Straight grip, checkered butt, case-hardened receiver, 28 inch barrels with interechangeable chokes, extractors. I'm not in love with case-hardening and the gun felt a bit heavy to me, but it sure pointed nice. Kaiser Norton Plus 1 It “should carry like a 20 and kick like a 12” which is perfect for a bird gun.

Re: SxS Shotgun Hunting Old Ornery #15694444 01/23/21
Joined: Mar 2008 Posts: 15,648 North Flint Hills O oldtrapper Campfire Ranger
oldtrapper Campfire Ranger O Joined: Mar 2008 Posts: 15,648 North Flint Hills	Originally Posted by Old Ornery Where are Berger Helice SXS's made? Are they decent shotguns? I saw this: https://www.gunsinternational.com/g...weight-sxs-bird-gun.cfm?gun_id=101560291 Ha, while looking on Gunsinternational, two SXS sold while watching. Looks French to me. The word Acier that is stamped on the barrel means steel in French. The very first shotgun I ever bought was French and had Acier Special stamped on the barrel. I still have it. For years I thought is was a boxlock but upon further inspection found it had a lock plate mechaniism, At first glance, that gun appears to have quite a bit of drop on the stock. https://postimg.cc/xXjW1cqx/81efa4c5 Soli Deo Gloria democrats ARE the plague.

IC B2

Re: SxS Shotgun Hunting TheLastLemming76 #15694453 01/23/21
Joined: Mar 2008 Posts: 15,648 North Flint Hills O oldtrapper Campfire Ranger
oldtrapper Campfire Ranger O Joined: Mar 2008 Posts: 15,648 North Flint Hills	It “should carry like a 20 and kick like a 12” which is perfect for a bird gun. [/quote] That's not how I remember it. ;-{>8 https://postimg.cc/xXjW1cqx/81efa4c5 Soli Deo Gloria democrats ARE the plague.

Re: SxS Shotgun Hunting gkt5450 #15694483 01/23/21
Joined: Jun 2020 Posts: 10,203 Likes: 6 Michigan TheLastLemming76 Campfire Outfitter
TheLastLemming76 Campfire Outfitter Joined: Jun 2020 Posts: 10,203 Likes: 6 Michigan	That’s how I remember it as told by my grandpa when I was a young kid. Maybe I got the cleaned up version?? He hated the full choked single shot 12 “that shot like a rifle and kicked liked a mule” while outback behind the house pheasant hunting or road hunting during the depression..

Re: SxS Shotgun Hunting gkt5450 #15694546 01/23/21
Joined: Mar 2008 Posts: 15,648 North Flint Hills O oldtrapper Campfire Ranger
oldtrapper Campfire Ranger O Joined: Mar 2008 Posts: 15,648 North Flint Hills	The sell phrase for the 16 gauge was, "It carries like a 20 and kills like a 12" which, depending on certain factors, is IMHO, true. You can't put a 16 on a 12 frame and expect this to be true and like all other physics, you can't expect, nor do you need to, put a 12 load in it and expect not to get pounded. https://postimg.cc/xXjW1cqx/81efa4c5 Soli Deo Gloria democrats ARE the plague.

Re: SxS Shotgun Hunting Slavek #15695187 01/23/21
Joined: Mar 2011 Posts: 14,712 North Shore, MA K kamo_gari Campfire Outfitter
kamo_gari Campfire Outfitter K Joined: Mar 2011 Posts: 14,712 North Shore, MA	Originally Posted by Slavek Originally Posted by Mike_S Originally Posted by kamo_gari Only the fanciest SxS come hunting with me. Anyone able to ID this fine piece? Zastava (sp)? That is Russian IZH. Most likely model once imported and sold by Remington as the Spartan. You sound like you know what you're talking about, but as I recall the thing was stamped 'Baikal'. And yes, Russian made and sold under the Remington brand. Good call. It was kind of clunky but did fine when afield, but ultimately it was taken duck hunting in the salt marsh. After a couple of times getting sprayed with saltwater, on future hunts you could practically watch the barrels turning orange with rust before your eyes. So, it now lives in Texas with a hairy dude. Too much bother for me to have to meticulously clean a shotgun after every single outing. I bought a Ithaca/SKB model 100 in 20ga from a fellah here a couple years back, and that little thing carries great and shoots damned well. Lots of upland critters--mostly birds--to its credit. I'm a 12ga guy really, but there's a lot to love about that 20. If it had an available third shot I'd take it everywhere, for everything!

Re: SxS Shotgun Hunting navlav8r #15695342 01/23/21
Joined: Apr 2006 Posts: 9,580 Likes: 1 In the vicinity of dandihood H horse1 Campfire Outfitter
horse1 Campfire Outfitter H Joined: Apr 2006 Posts: 9,580 Likes: 1 In the vicinity of dandihood	Originally Posted by navlav8r Originally Posted by horse1 Originally Posted by Squidge Originally Posted by navlav8r I have two 20’s by SKB. A 280, 26”barrel quail shotgun and another that I think is a model 300 ? with 28” barrels, both with English straight grips. I shoot both of them really well...they just fit right. I'd like to find an Ithaca SKB 20G quail special, IM/IM, 25" barrels, a buddy had one one and It's a nice shooting light SXS. Every 25" SKB I've ever seen is choked Skt/Skt. I'd be curious to see the demarkations denoting IM? SKB/Ithaca 100/200/280 are affordable choices as is the Charles Daly 500. For a bit more coin if you can find one the newer late 90's SKB 385/485's are very good quality, have screw-in chokes, and usually had gorgeous wood. Browning BSS, Beretta 625/626's if you can find them are also good choices that'll have a lot less drop than the guns from say before the 1960's or so. I think you’re right, my 280 has 25” barrels and I could be wrong but I think it’s bored IC/Mod. The other is definitely IC/Mod with silver nitride receiver. 25" or 26" bbls? I've owned 2 w/26's that were IC/Mod. The 25" I had was Skt/Skt. I can walk on water.......................but I do stagger a bit on alcohol.

IC B3

Re: SxS Shotgun Hunting Tyrone #15695521 01/23/21
Joined: Dec 2006 Posts: 28,172 Here Or There luv2safari Campfire Ranger
luv2safari Campfire Ranger Joined: Dec 2006 Posts: 28,172 Here Or There	Originally Posted by Tyrone I like to do some upland hunting with an old Sauer 20. THAT made my tongue hard! Hunt with Class and Classics Religion: A founder of The Church of Spray and Pray Acquit v. t. To render a judgment in a murder case in San Francisco... EQUAL, adj. As bad as something else. Ambrose Bierce “The Devil's Dictionary”

Re: SxS Shotgun Hunting oldtrapper #15695546 01/23/21
Joined: Dec 2006 Posts: 28,172 Here Or There luv2safari Campfire Ranger
luv2safari Campfire Ranger Joined: Dec 2006 Posts: 28,172 Here Or There	Originally Posted by oldtrapper Originally Posted by Old Ornery Where are Berger Helice SXS's made? Are they decent shotguns? I saw this: https://www.gunsinternational.com/g...weight-sxs-bird-gun.cfm?gun_id=101560291 Ha, while looking on Gunsinternational, two SXS sold while watching. Looks French to me. The word Acier that is stamped on the barrel means steel in French. The very first shotgun I ever bought was French and had Acier Special stamped on the barrel. I still have it. For years I thought is was a boxlock but upon further inspection found it had a lock plate mechaniism, At first glance, that gun appears to have quite a bit of drop on the stock. Has 65mm chambers, too. The chokes will be real tight in a gun of the 65mm chamber vintage. It's been opened up underneath by someone who didn't know doubles. Still, it's a nice field grade SXS. Hunt with Class and Classics Religion: A founder of The Church of Spray and Pray Acquit v. t. To render a judgment in a murder case in San Francisco... EQUAL, adj. As bad as something else. Ambrose Bierce “The Devil's Dictionary”

Re: SxS Shotgun Hunting gkt5450 #15695684 01/23/21
Joined: Feb 2003 Posts: 3,209 Ks Ole_270 Campfire Tracker
Ole_270 Campfire Tracker Joined: Feb 2003 Posts: 3,209 Ks	SxS are my favorite hunting shotgun. Might be because I started out with an old 12 ga Stevens 311 hammer double. Here is my Dickinson Estate 16 ga. A little chunky at 6 3/4 lbs, but works fine with heavy pheasant loads. That one looks pretty plain next to cheesy's 100+ year old German 16 built by Venus Gun Works on a Sauer forging. FANCY wood, horn trigger guard and buttplate, weighs just under 6 lbs.

Re: SxS Shotgun Hunting Ole_270 #15696356 01/23/21
Joined: Mar 2008 Posts: 15,648 North Flint Hills O oldtrapper Campfire Ranger
oldtrapper Campfire Ranger O Joined: Mar 2008 Posts: 15,648 North Flint Hills	Beautiful, thanks. https://postimg.cc/xXjW1cqx/81efa4c5 Soli Deo Gloria democrats ARE the plague.

Re: SxS Shotgun Hunting gkt5450 #15696404 01/23/21
Joined: Oct 2004 Posts: 50,169 Likes: 1 SE Texas ltppowell Campfire Kahuna
ltppowell Campfire Kahuna Joined: Oct 2004 Posts: 50,169 Likes: 1 SE Texas	I'll say it. Side by sides are cool if you don't really care about hitting something. The only thing worse than a liberal is a liberal that thinks they're a conservative.

Re: SxS Shotgun Hunting gkt5450 #15696410 01/23/21
Joined: Aug 2009 Posts: 9,920 Likes: 1 SE, Iowa B blanket Campfire Outfitter
blanket Campfire Outfitter B Joined: Aug 2009 Posts: 9,920 Likes: 1 SE, Iowa	my father was a sxs guy scoffed pumps and autos. That was the greatest generation, I'm a boomer. Beretta 390 for me

Re: SxS Shotgun Hunting ltppowell #15696631 01/23/21
Joined: Mar 2008 Posts: 15,648 North Flint Hills O oldtrapper Campfire Ranger
oldtrapper Campfire Ranger O Joined: Mar 2008 Posts: 15,648 North Flint Hills	Originally Posted by ltppowell I'll say it. Side by sides are cool if you don't really care about hitting something. Looks like pot stirrer boredom syndrome to me. Two word reply: Percy Stanbury https://postimg.cc/xXjW1cqx/81efa4c5 Soli Deo Gloria democrats ARE the plague.

Re: SxS Shotgun Hunting gkt5450 #15696659 01/23/21
Joined: Jan 2008 Posts: 14,172 Likes: 19 Texas G geedubya Campfire Outfitter
geedubya Campfire Outfitter G Joined: Jan 2008 Posts: 14,172 Likes: 19 Texas	Merkel 141 Double, 8 x 57 JRS (8mm Mauser, Rimmed) I call it the triple double! Works for me. and the Latest, CSMC RBL Professional, SXS 20 gauge Sabot DR......... Test target Regulated for Winchester Sabots. Hope to perforate some porkers with it in the next week or so! Ya! GWB Last edited by geedubya; 01/23/21. A Kill Artist. When I draw, I draw blood.

Re: SxS Shotgun Hunting gkt5450 #15696676 01/23/21
Joined: Mar 2010 Posts: 24,302 Likes: 13 PNW R ribka Campfire Ranger
ribka Campfire Ranger R Joined: Mar 2010 Posts: 24,302 Likes: 13 PNW	simson or merkel Last edited by ribka; 01/23/21.

Re: SxS Shotgun Hunting geedubya #15696693 01/23/21
Joined: Jan 2008 Posts: 14,172 Likes: 19 Texas G geedubya Campfire Outfitter
geedubya Campfire Outfitter G Joined: Jan 2008 Posts: 14,172 Likes: 19 Texas	Arrieta 903 SXS, 16 Ga. Armas Ugartechea. 28 ga SXS Arrieta 903 SxS, 16 Ga. Hulu Ringneck, 28 ga. SXS ya! GWB A Kill Artist. When I draw, I draw blood.

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