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I mean come on!<BR>All it is,is a wimpy 06'!<BR>I say if a guy can't handle a .300win get out of the woods!<BR>The .270 should be banned for use on anything bigger than chipmunks and rabid sparrows.<BR>For the faithful,this ain't new.....stand by!<BR>Cheers!<BR>E4E<P>------------------<BR>

OK, OK, dammit! I've held out so far but this is it! I think I will go and have a nice tall frosty Castle. heh heh he. badger.

OOOOHH! you know how to hurt a guy!<BR>BTW I did a search for an importer yesterday,and came up with nothing!<BR>When I get some spare cash I am going to look into possibly doing something about the dearth of good beer here in the states.<BR>I can't say as to what can be done within my financial limits,but what the hell right?<BR>Between us and all your fellow Mandella Refugees there is a ready market just waiting to be tapped into...get it tapped?<BR>I'm out of Old style(The closest I can get to Lion)so I'm sufferin here.<BR>Cheers!<BR>E4E

E4E, as much as I love Keith, I am gonna have to say that hte 270 does have a place in hunting, My father bought me a rem 700 bdl in 270 when I was 10. still have it, as a matter of fact I have shot more game with that rifle than any other, it has a nice soft recoil, shoots flat, and has a decent selection of bullets for the handloader/reloader. I won't go as far as saying it is an ideal elk gun, because it aint, but it is a hop,skip,and a jump above the 260,7-08 crowd. BEARHUNTER

Pat, for a guy that is in the business you must have had too many kegs of that foamy stuff, all ready and it has pickeled your brain. You know the 270 Win is an up dated 06 and will out preform it any day of the week. That 130gr out of a 270 is like King Kong when it gets to where it's going and it don't mess around getting there. Bed time, been fighting this puter all evening. See ya in the morning. -- no

E4E,<BR>You got it all wrong; the 270 came after the 30-06 and is really the improved version. The best thing that was ever done to this case was necking it down to 28, 27, and 25 calibers. I can be gutting my deer while the -06 hunter is still waiting for his bullet to arrive on target and praying that no puff of air will blow it off course.

One of my buddy's shot an '06,for quite sometime. I'd come by his house dragging something big and dead. He HATED it! I always told him it was because of his '06,that he couldn't get anything done. most of the stuff I killed,was about 2-1/2 30-'06 shots away! I told him that he could shoot the first shot,watch the bullet go,and mark it's location in the dirt. he could then run to that spot,fire again and mark the second bullet strike. Then on his third poke,if he did EVERYTHING right,he could launch one into the ribcage. That would send it to limping,and would up his odds. That regarding closing the distance,on the now semi-crippled critter. It is a sound theory,but difficult to find a critter will to stay still,for so many shots. I just hit 'em with something that does the job,the FIRST time. I agree with T-stick,the only way to improve the '06,is to start necking it down. The 25-06Ackley I just finished,is a good place to start. I can see why soooo many are excited about the 280Ackley. With the increase in speed and the cool looking cases,comes a high degree of accuracy. Those cartridges ae capable of a "Two '06 Shot"...(grin)

E4E,<BR>How do you come off disparaging the 270 for anything larger than a chipmunk? Even Elmer Keith knew it was adequate for coyotes. If you don't believe it ask NO. NO knows. <P>Jack 'O Connor convinced everyone (almost)but Elmer Keith that it is all that was needed for elk up to 600 yards.<P>[This message has been edited by Thunderstick (edited January 26, 2001).]<p>[This message has been edited by Thunderstick (edited January 26, 2001).]

Come on guy's!<BR>Liberacce is dead! You can come out of the closet now!<BR>O'connor admitted that he owned 3 .270's and 6 06's!!!!!!Elmer was twice the man Jack was,and slapped the Springfield Armoury boy's around during the war and straightened them out.We won the war with 1911's and other firearms with Keiths inspector stamp on it.The 06' rules with Karma,and that's all that it needs for this Jarhead.<BR>Got ya thinkin' though !<BR>E4E

I can taste my Garand being rebarreled to 25-06. Now THAT'S a rifle!.......

The 270 is the worst cartidige ever? What knid of catfish are you trying to hook with that stink bait?

Pdog shooter,<BR>I dunno 'bout catfish,but I hooked several nice bullheads! <BR>E4E<P>------------------<BR>

I thought we all agreed that the 270 made a nice primer for the really big bores. <P><P>------------------<BR>Brian<BR><A HREF="http://www.geocities.com/bw_99835/" TARGET=_blank>The 416 Taylor WebPage!</A>

I kinda like it.

Holy old thread, Batman!

This thread from way before my time on the 'fire.

Now this is a serious Throwback Thursday.

Wow! Goin way back, indeed. Interesting how different Stick's posts were then.

I'm digging your groove Larry.

One thing to keep in mind on Sticks post is what he is using at the moment is the bomb and everybody else is a dumdphuck. Rinse and repeat.

Too bad more men don't believe this. I'd be able to get more 270s a lot cheaper. But the track record seems to get in the way of me getting those rifles for 90% off current value.

Nothing quite succeeds like success. Can't seem to get around facts or truth with emotional opinions.

Dang!

Yes, I have observed that. However, I have PM'd back and forth with him oh I don't know, maybe half a dozen times with him the past 10 years and he's always been very respectful, helpful, and willing to share his knowledge. Not at all rude or patronizing.

I feel like a dope now. I read it all not realizing it was an oooooooold thread. I did, however, realize that I was the only sober one involved in the old part of the thread. Except for Big Stick, which I found a little weird I must admit...lol.

Does anyone make a round nose for the .277? I used to use nothing else. I have 100 Hornady 150 GR round nose that are 30 yrs old . I am going to start using them up I guess.

Does Remington still sell their bullets for reloading? I believe they still sell loaded ammo in the 150 gr. CL round nose. I have killed a couple of WT's with them and they worked well for me.

Remington, I believe still offers the .270 150 gr round nose and so does Federal in their blue box ammo. Walmart has the Federal blue box .270 150 gr round nose on close out after Christmas last year for $13.77 a box.

only reason the 06 was so popular way back when was that every hardware store had a barrel full of them at 35.00 each.some really bright people snatched up a barrel full and decided to build something good out of them. thus the 270win

And don't forget gayest.

"A 6.8 on an '03 case with a custom tube 1:9 twist is skookum." Millenial speak.

"A .270 Winchester works fine." Old fart speak.

That about sums it up.

I'm an old fart.

Good grief. Reviving a 15 year old post started by a member who hasn't been on the 'fire in 10 years............

Stick, you ever get this setup? How'd it end up working out for you?

The answer to the 270 question is 280 Remington.

Federal law protects homosexuals now!

270 owner!

The best thing to happen to the 06 is when they necked it up to 35 cal.

There you go!

Although I did watch gunblue490 youtube video about the 270 last night. He admits to being an 06 convert.
Yes very old thread here, but I'm a little bored this week.
I actually had a 270 win for a while and sold it before I could shoot anything with it, so I have no experience on game.
Hhhmmm maybe a 270 weatherby is in the future.

You guys have too much time on your hands, I'm going elk hunting.

Nope,33

Elk season is over, I am sick of looking at wild meat for a while, and I have a couple freezers full of elk and deer meat. It's wintertime, man!

By the way, elk was taken with 270. It was a bull cross-dressing as a cow, which is why the 270 worked.

Humbug!....Elk taken with a 270, a likely story, that's a hot one, Bbbaahahahahahha

270 what a gay wad cartraige !!!

What is a .270? Only thing I know about it is:

1. it is "gay"

2. my Mauser 98 shoots even better as an '06... my bro left it (as a .270) in a wet basement all winter after 22 years of "borrow", then it "quit shooting good"..... . Just can't trust that caliber.

I fixed it.

That reminds me, he's had my TC Hawkin .50 for about 20 years now too...

I have several, am I gay to the 3rd power??

Grandpa Dad and I have used it with reloads without complaint for 80 years

I only use mine to hold at bay the occasional mouse in the cupboard.

If I couldn’t have a magnum, my first choice would be a 270!

I don't hunt with mine anymore, as I've determined that for my hunting, the 270 is too much. But, if I ever draw an elk tag here, it will be the one I use.

Now, having said that, it was the only cartridge I used for whitetails for over 20 years, and if there's anything better, I don't think it's been invented yet. These days I'm on a 6mm and 6.5mm kick, but there ain't one thing wrong with a 6.8mm.

Yup, me too, pre-64 standard rifle and FWT here, with 150 NPT's at 2925 a man can stay in the scope and see impact reactions from the intendeds, have seen buck deer wince with closed eyes when the bullets struck, looked like it might have hurt a little.

That's definitely treading RuPaul territory.

Love my 270 in 695 Tikka. The most accurate gun (1/4" three shot groups) in my safe and when the bullet hits deer there is no run they just fall all over DRT. 130 grain Sierra Pro Hunter traveling at 3168 FPS.

The Very Hammer of Thor!!

hanco said:
If I couldn’t have a magnum, my first choice would be a 270!

How funny. I gave that a passing thought and realized I agree with him to the point that now in my 60s I have sold off every rifle I ever had in "magnum" calibers except 2. My 375H&H and a 300 H&H. I kept the 2 Mausers in the 2 famous H&H calibers because in the case of the 375, I have never found a better all-around "big club" for hunting all over than the 375H&H and I kept the 300 because it's cool. I shoot 200 grain Noslers in the 300 and they fly at the exact same trajectory as my 150 grain 270s do.
In my 1/2 century of gun collecting, hunting and shooting I have moved through several hundred guns and probably 70-80 calibers. I have used many if not most of them for hunting too at one time or another. All worked. Some worked OK and some worked super well.

But now at the time in my life when I realize I am not going to live long enough to play with them all for decades more, I have paired down the collection to only about 20, and of those 20 I only 10 calibers.
Of the rifle I own now the very last 2 I would get rid of in my life are the 270 Winchester and the 375H&H. (The 9.3X62 is a close 2nd to the 375 however. )

If I were forced to own only 1 center fire rifle however I would choose a 30-06 because of the large span of bullets that I can get for it. I am never going back to Africa and I doubt I'll go to Alaska any more either, so that is the reason for my choices.

I am in serious trouble then.

But I did bring a 30-06 home yesterday......as a donor. Now what to build?

Hhhmmm, I'm this close (two fingers a half inch apart) to getting a 270 wby, still mulling it over since I don't really need it.
But I figure it's a weatherby, has magnum in the name, and now I'll maybe go visit the 223 thread in the basement for a while so I'm safe in my social category

The 270 Winchester is Gay. The 270 WSM is Flamboyant. The 270 Weatherby is the Gaylord.

(I own a 270 WSM but it's in the closet)

Dan

What is the .270 Ingwe then?

Well I certainly don't want to be the gaylord, so might have to pass.

I don't own a 270, but have nothing against it except for one thing that makes me scratch my head.

Many Guys have told me that they have lost more animals with that caliber than any other...WHY?

To me, the 270 is not an Eastern cartridge. Have never understood its appeal in the East. It's at its finest as an all-around Western Cartridge, antelope to moose.

If Montana had a standing army, all would be issued 270's.

That is a very good point Brad... they are probably just too fast for Eastern range shorter shots.

I guess there should be two different caliber categories for Eastern vs Western Hunters.

There once were many small dairy farms in the North East with open pastures where the 270 works very well. I've hunted one for the last decade or so and my average shots are about 200 yards...often farther. My 270 WSM really shines there but that's the only property where I use that rifle.

Dan

Of course "dead is dead", but I always tend to a more lightly recoiling cartridge for a given chore. Eastern Whitetail generally don't require the power or range of the 270. But everyone to his own choice... there's no "right" answer.

The old farmer that let me hunt his land and taught me how to deer hunt used a custom 257 Roberts. When I decided to have a custom of my own I chose a 7x57. Both cartridges worked very well on his farm.

Dan

Yes I've heard that too which is exactly opposite of what you'll read here from 270 fans.
Of course a couple of the Benoit brothers killed many deer in Maine, Vermont and Canada with their 270s. Big deer and not exactly open country.

LMFAO!

Placement trumps headstamp or something like that. Guess I'm saying the cartridge isn't the failure in those stories I'm guessing...

It's the only cartridge I've lost an animal with.

Years ago the guys who bought 270's here used to say "I plan to go out west someday". That was their rationale for picking it over the 30-06. I remember, because I used to ask them. Today, the .300 Win and Weatherby magnums have replaced the 270 for the guy who "plans to go out west". Mostly because a western hunt used to mean Mule Deer and Pronghorn but now means Elk.
So now the 270 is popular here just because it is popular, not because it makes sense.

That makes perfect sense.

Here we go again. Some people need a job or a hobby.

Interesting, the 270 is never a wrong choice for deer IMO.


If one loses a deer using a 270, pretty sure it is not the fault of the cartridge.

you gentlemen must hunt in a far different world,
Ive used everything from a 257 roberts to a 62 caliber front loader, they all worked just fine!
while I prefer a 35 whelen over a 270 if your restricted to the 30/06 case family
, Ive had zero problems using a 270 on deer Ive used it on,
and its certainly been working well for decades,
for one of my hunting partners, who has used it in a ruger #1 for over 45 years.

given a choice Ill grab a 340 wby or a 375 H&H almost every time
but Id certainly feel well equipped with a 450 marlin, or 30/06 BLR , or a browning 78 single shot in 300 wby,
and simple compensate for the cartridge being used by hunting the areas best matched to its limitations
Ive killed deer and elk with a 44 mag revolver and successfully used archery equipment, on dozens of hunts over 5 decades
surely if I can work in that limitation on range and power you can use a 270-308 win or 30/06 and put game on the ground.

https://youtu.be/sKTeEmNUkjw

Hunting whitetails east of the Mississippi River can be done a variety of ways, just as it can be done west of the Mississippi River.

For those hunters who take a stand and over-watch an open area, like a power line ROW, a logging clear cut, or a farm field/pasture where the shots tend to be longer and more deliberate, the flat trajectory of the 270 with 130 grain bullets is an advantage over cartridges providing lower velocity and a more curved trajectory. For the hunter who is still-hunting or tracking in the woods, the higher velocity offers no advantage that i can see and therefore might not be the first or best choice for people who primarily hunt in that manner. To me, the Remington 760 family of pump guns are classic eastern hunting rifles and although they have always been available in both 270 and 30-06, the 30-06 has out-sold the 270 by a wide margin. I seem to recall hunters favoring the 30-06 over the 270 because they felt that the 270 bullets were too fast and too fragile, so they tore up too much meat, and the 180 grain 30-06 bullets "bucked brush" better than lighter faster bullets. Most of the people who I knew who hunted with 30-06 rifles favored the 180 grain Remington RN-CL or Winchester/Western PP factory loads. Most of them were WW2 vets who had confidence in the 30-06 and the Remington 740/742 series rifles that they often carried. They favored Weaver K2.5 and K3 scopes with PCH reticles mounted via Weaver tip-off mounts so that they could use their open sights at very close ranges.

When I was a kid, both New Hampshire and Vermont were covered with small family dairy farms and Maine was covered with timber. Fifty years later there is very little farming in either NH or VT, so many of the former fields and pastures have grown up into thick cover, as most have not been managed for a timber crop. ME is now a patchwork of clear cuts where there had only been dense forests. When I last lived in New England, 10/84 thru 04/90, tree stands were just starting to catch on and most people were still-hunting, making small drives (where it was legal), and/or over-watching small fields/pastures that were typically between 0.5 and 20 acres in size.

I think that the 270 is/was fairly common/popular among older hunters due to their reading of JOC's many articles in OUTDOOR LIFE magazine. I only recall one 270 shooter from when I lived in New England, a guy who worked at Ruger's Pinetree Castings plant in Newport, NH, and hunted with a Ruger 77 in 270.

Moosemike: The fact that the 270 Winchester is the only cartridge you wounded a Deer with is absolutely NOT the fault of the cartridge!
It absolutely IS the fault of... YOU!
It just so happens over the last six years I have cleanly and humanely harvested six dandy Whitetail Bucks with the 270 Winchester.
In each instance I carefully and intentionally placed ONE Nosler 130 grain Ballistic Tip bullet in the heart/lungs of these large mature Bucks and went forth and tagged my well bled out trophy.
The closest of those 6 Whitetail Bucks was 250 yards by the way - some much further.
I have been harvesting Blacktail Deer, Antelope, Mule Deer, Elk, Mt. Goats, Black Bear and Whitetail Deer with the 270 Winchester cartridge for 50+ years now and I know how well the 270 Winchester performs!
It performs EXTREMELY well.
Your inference that the 270 Winchester is an unworthy Deer cartridge is laughable!
Your lame and embarrassing attempt to besmirch the 270 is more of an indictment on your marksmanship!
PERIOD!
The 270 Winchester cartridge has been going strong for nearly 100 years now - I don't think it is going to stop doing so just because you can't shoot very well.
Long live the 270 Winchester.
Hold into the wind
VarmintGuy

Could be, but I doubt anyone here is man enough to stand up bare chested and volunteer to be hit by one.

I am of the opinion that the shell makes a lot less difference then the bullet that makes the hole.

Bullet HOLES kill, not shells and not even bullets. A bullet that misses the vitals doesn't kill. Many vet are walking around today because of that fact. Anyone thing a vet wounded with an AK47 means the AK47 just isn't good for killing?

A good bonded, Solid Expanding or Partition bullet in a 223 makes a good deer rifle out of a small shell.

But I have seen a 9.3X74R with the wrong bullet only go 5" deep into a small white tail buck. ("Seen" meaning I shot that deer myself with my own rifle.)

In my opinion any shell that launches any bullet that gives a would channel of 5/8" diameter or larger, and goes clear through and exits is a good deer shell.

In my 50 years as a hunter and a guide I have seen many dozens of hits on various game animals that seemed to be perfectly placed, yet the game ran off and had to be tracked down. What I think is interesting is that the 2 calibers that have given me that result more then any others (and really, as many as all others combined) have been the 7MM Remington Mag and the 300 Winchester Mag. In most cases the long runs and tracking jobs were the result of a poorly placed bullet, but in maybe 40% of those times it was from using a bullet that came apart and penetrated less then it should, or veered off course in the game and missed the things on the inside it was supposed to hit.

But only a fool would say the 7Mag or the 300 Mag are too small or weak for deer. They are excellent even with standard Cup and Core bullets, as long as those bullet go clear through in a fairly straight line.

About any powder bottle you like from a 223 up is fine for deer, if you shoot a bullet that expands and yet doesn't come apart.

It really about bullet HOLES. Where are they placed ............and do they go straight through.

Varmintgay, I don't think I said all that. I think you put all those words in my mouth.

Boy isn’t that the truth... for someone that can write seemingly endless paragraphs, he has essentially no reading comprehension.

None at all. That's why he is VarmintGay. He's quick to come busting out of the closet. I never even said ti was a deer I wounded. That's how much he added to my post.

A guy that can take one word and build a chapter out of it...

I’ve finally read a post from Big Stick I can actually comprehend. What’s happened in the last 17 years?

As for the 270, every animal I’ve shot with mine, or my son has shot with it, with 130-150 grain bullets, has simply dropped on the ground. Not taken a step. Including elk. Although a smallish mulie I shot with a 140 grain Accubond at 100 yards some 5 years ago had his whole side pulverized into jelly- at the bullet entrance. I’m glad I take lung shots and not shoulders, or it would have wasted a lot of meat. I chalk that up to the close distance and the Accubomb, although others have different experiences with that specific bullet.