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I have a question for you Legend experts! What’s the weight savings between an edge shell/standard fill and a standard stock? Is there any real advantage over just the standard fiberglass stock? I am looking to build a 300 Win Mag but not really a lightweight and was considering the edge shell/standard fill. Thanks for any input.
I’d have to pull stocks and weigh some for you but on a 300 I’d at least go EDGE shell, standard fill. It just depends on what you want in the finished rifle. If weight doesn’t bother or matter than a standard is fine. As far as I know he doesn’t charge differently between the different fills either. At least he hasn’t in the past.
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Thanks beretzs! I was just curious but can’t imagine the edge shell would save more than a few ounces. From what I read it’s a little stiffer than a standard stock as well?!? Does the Echols stock seem too big in the forend for say a #2 Krieger? Thanks again for any input. Trying to assemble the parts for an 8lb 300 Win Mag Classic. Weight would include scope mounts but no scope.
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Thanks beretzs! I was just curious but can’t imagine the edge shell would save more than a few ounces. From what I read it’s a little stiffer than a standard stock as well?!? Does the Echols stock seem too big in the forend for say a #2 Krieger? Thanks again for any input. Trying to assemble the parts for an 8lb 300 Win Mag Classic. Weight would include scope mounts but no scope. I plan to put a #2 in a Legend for a sub 8# 300 on a m70. Still waiting on the legend which will be my third. I like the edge shell with appropriate fill.
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The weight of McM Edge stocks has increased over the past 10 years. I don’t know if it is the shell or the fill. Mr Echols has repeatedly told me that they are heavier. Some order an Edge shell with standard fill. There is a belief by some that the full on Edge/Edge stocks result in a rifle that can be a little persnickety to tune for groups. I haven’t observed that phenomenon but some have. At one time Mr Echols preferred the slightly heavier Edge/Standard for the 300’s but that may have changed due to the weight creep. To get an 8# rifle with mounts but no scope you need to keep the barrel contour in the range of a Douglas #2. The Bartlien 2B is too heavy. Compare their dimensions to the Kreiger #2.
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Yep, the weight of an all Edge Legend has crept up 5-6oz over the past several years. If I wanted to keep a new build to 8 pounds sans scope I'd be looking at an all Edge stock and a #1 barrel contour, or a #2 at most. My last build with a #2 Bartlien and all Edge Legend hits just under 8 sans scope. The Hunter's Edge is a lighter stock by several ounces and using it would allow a larger barrel contour or a heavier scope.
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When you guys are talking about building rifles that are in the 8lb range naked what action are using?? I've had 7-8 rifles built - most on Remington actions but also one with a Borden all with Classic Edge stocks and all with either a Brux #3 or a Bartlein 2b and all have come in under 6.5lbs. With scope and rings/bases I'm still under 8 lbs on all of them.
I just had one done and a 2nd one in the works with a Bart CF wrapped barrel and a Defiance action that is a hair under 6 lbs naked so it seems it would be pretty easy to build under 8lbs even with the heavier Edge stocks.
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When you guys are talking about building rifles that are in the 8lb range naked what action are using?? I've had 7-8 rifles built - most on Remington actions but also one with a Borden all with Classic Edge stocks and all with either a Brux #3 or a Bartlein 2b and all have come in under 6.5lbs. With scope and rings/bases I'm still under 8 lbs on all of them.
I just had one done and a 2nd one in the works with a Bart CF wrapped barrel and a Defiance action that is a hair under 6 lbs naked so it seems it would be pretty easy to build under 8lbs even with the heavier Edge stocks. OR, They are referring to Win 70 long actions and/or Darcy Echol's Legend actions used on the Legend stock designed by Darcy and offered by McMillan. The actions along with Darcy's steel custom scope mounts weigh considerably more than a custom built on a Rem action. Hope this helps.
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When you guys are talking about building rifles that are in the 8lb range naked what action are using?? I've had 7-8 rifles built - most on Remington actions but also one with a Borden all with Classic Edge stocks and all with either a Brux #3 or a Bartlein 2b and all have come in under 6.5lbs. With scope and rings/bases I'm still under 8 lbs on all of them.
I just had one done and a 2nd one in the works with a Bart CF wrapped barrel and a Defiance action that is a hair under 6 lbs naked so it seems it would be pretty easy to build under 8lbs even with the heavier Edge stocks. OR, They are referring to Win 70 long actions and/or Darcy Echol's Legend actions used on the Legend stock designed by Darcy and offered by McMillan. The actions along with Darcy's steel custom scope mounts weigh considerably more than a custom built on a Rem action. Hope this helps. Thanks - kind of thought that might be it but wasn't sure.
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Mine are all built on either pre ‘64 70s or the newer Classic 70 actions. The lightest one is a 9.3x62 that has factory bottom metal and cross slot bases. Scoped with a 6x36 Leupold it weighs 8 on the nose.
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I hope that I did this right. I sent my order for a Shrike to Mr Echols to add to this order. Mine will be for my 700 in 338 RUM.
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Can’t imagine a better stock for that type of rifle. You get Edge shell with magnum fill?
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I have had a chance to try out those rifles. The top setup is about ideal for an all around, North American rifle as it gets. For deer and similar, the 2nd handles like a dream. The weight, portability, and handling of it is fantastic. The stock is very well thought out as you would imagine, coming from D'Arcy, but they really are fantastic hunting builds.
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I guess you experts can give your opinions on the finished weight of this build. Winchester 70 Classic in 300 Win Mag, 24” #2.5 Krieger which is .615 at the muzzle, Edge shell/standard fill stock, Blackburn bottom metal and Leupold dual dovetails. Any chance this comes in at 8lbs with bases/low rings mounted? Thanks in advance.
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You got to cut you own bolt-handle slot and they come raw ..unless things have changed - When I talked to D'arcy about the stock, he said he didn't like the way McMillan made there bolt cut over sized and preferred to cut them himself. I do believe you can order it with full inlet if you like. The big thing with getting these stocks now is McMillan is making him order 10 at a time. He is running a list, when gets to 10 he will place order. [quote=Starman]You got to cut you own bolt-handle slot and they come raw ..unless things have changed - I agree with D’Arcy. I don’t like the way McM cuts their bolt handle slot, either. Too big, sloppy fit. I fill mine, cut to fit the handle. On my Legend, I cut the bolt handle slot to fit. Worked out great, not a chore to do that. D’Arcy milled a Williams bottom metal inlet. Fit was Echols perfect. For him to do all the inletting would suit me. DF
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264- I think you’ll be close with those components but probably won’t be under 8. A friend just had Gene Simillion build him a 300 Win mag. Used Legend with Edge shell and regular fill, 24” Krieger #2, Blackburn bottom metal and Gene’s custom steel mounts. With a 3.5-10 Leupold it hits 9lbs even. Take off the scope and it’s about 8.25 lbs.
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264- I think you’ll be close with those components but probably won’t be under 8. A friend just had Gene Simillion build him a 300 Win mag. Used Legend with Edge shell and regular fill, 24” Krieger #2, Blackburn bottom metal and Gene’s custom steel mounts. With a 3.5-10 Leupold it hits 9lbs even. Take off the scope and it’s about 8.25 lbs. The Blackburn metal is nice but heavy. If you want it under 8 you should go aluminum (drop 4 oz) and a #2 Krieger. I’ve weighted these parts since I have them sitting here for a build and this is the only way you can make it under 8#s
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Thanks guys! Anyone have a picture from the top of a #2 barrel in the Echols legend? There is a lot of meat up front in that stock!
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Not quite from the top, but the front rifle is a Krieger 24” #2, 0.604” muzzle diameter. It fits extremely well in the legend. The rear rifle is a Brux #3.
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Can’t imagine a better stock for that type of rifle. You get Edge shell with magnum fill? John, Mr Echols thought the glass stock with magnum fill would be best in my case. I have a way too light Brown Kevlar stocked Pierce TI in 280AI and it is not pleasant to shoot.
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Butch, only you know what your recoil tolerance is! If you’re not gonna pack it in the mountains then it’ll be fine. The older I get the more I prefer lighter rifles, darn mountains just seem to get steeper with each passing season!
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