24hourcampfire.com
24hourcampfire.com
-->
Previous Thread
Next Thread
Print Thread
Hop To
Page 1 of 2 1 2
Joined: Jul 2009
Posts: 5,183
V
victoro Offline OP
Campfire Tracker
OP Offline
Campfire Tracker
V
Joined: Jul 2009
Posts: 5,183
My SIL bought my 12 year old Grandson a Rem 700 270 and had it Ceroakoted by a local gunsmith. They couldn't find any ammo so I told my SIL that I have a lot of 270 brass and bullets and would load some ammo for it. I picked it up today and was checking it out. The scope isn't level (don't know who mounted it yet) and and it was very hard to open the bolt and pull it back. It appears that this gunsmith put Cerakote on everything including the chamber and the inside of the barrel (all machined surfaces).Is this correct??? Surely not and especially not on the rifling. I'm afraid to shoot it.

Last edited by victoro; 02/12/21.
GB1

Joined: Apr 2005
Posts: 30,956
Likes: 3
J
Campfire 'Bwana
Online Sleepy
Campfire 'Bwana
J
Joined: Apr 2005
Posts: 30,956
Likes: 3
Originally Posted by victoro
My SIL bought my 12 year old Grandson a Rem 700 270 and had it Ceroakoted by a local gunsmith. They couldn't find any ammo so I told my SIL that I have a lot of 270 brass and bullets and would load some ammo for it. I picked it up today and was checking it out. The scope isn't level (don't know who mounted it yet) and and it was very hard to open the bolt and pull it back. It appears that this gunsmith put Cerakote on everything including the chamber and the inside of the barrel (all machined surfaces).Is this correct??? Surely not and especially not on the rifling. I'm afraid to shoot it.


No that is not correct. Should not be in chamber or the bolt lugs or race way



I got banned on another web site for a debate that happened on this site. That's a first
Joined: Jan 2008
Posts: 15,757
Likes: 1
M
Campfire Ranger
Online Content
Campfire Ranger
M
Joined: Jan 2008
Posts: 15,757
Likes: 1
The ones i have had done coat the exterior and the inside of the receiver (raceways) but not the chamber or inside the barrel

Joined: Nov 2020
Posts: 584
D
Campfire Regular
Offline
Campfire Regular
D
Joined: Nov 2020
Posts: 584
I would be leery of taking it back to that gun smith, sounds like an idiot. It will need a vigorous polishing to remove and if over done could screw up head space or other issues. I would wrap a cleaning jag or brush with 0000 steel wool and put some JB bore cleaner on it and run this on an electric drill in the chamber and bu hand in the bore. Be very careful of the bolt lugs maybe try 800 grit wet or dry paper with a level backing block. Or have a gunsmith face off the bolt and lugs and set the barrel back if needed.

Tubbs final finish would get most of it out of the barrel with just a few rounds. If you try this load them down to a starting load just to be on the safe side.

Joined: Nov 2018
Posts: 1,488
C
Campfire Regular
Offline
Campfire Regular
C
Joined: Nov 2018
Posts: 1,488
Good grief.

Cerakote is decent as an exterior finish. But... NO! Not in the chamber or barrel... Dang...

IC B2

Joined: Jul 2001
Posts: 60,162
Likes: 13
M
Campfire Kahuna
Online Content
Campfire Kahuna
M
Joined: Jul 2001
Posts: 60,162
Likes: 13
The good news might be that if the gunsmith is that incompetent, he also might not have installed it correctly--and it would be pretty easy to get out.

There are a BUNCH of "gunsmiths" who have no clue about using Cerakote. Many apparently believe you simply spray it on, and that's it, but doing right requires considerable prep, and then heating it correctly.


“Montana seems to me to be what a small boy would think Texas is like from hearing Texans.”
John Steinbeck
Joined: Dec 2006
Posts: 3,612
L
Campfire Tracker
Offline
Campfire Tracker
L
Joined: Dec 2006
Posts: 3,612
I'm curious how you'd even spray the chamber and bore.....

Last edited by liliysdad; 02/14/21.
Joined: Jul 2009
Posts: 5,183
V
victoro Offline OP
Campfire Tracker
OP Offline
Campfire Tracker
V
Joined: Jul 2009
Posts: 5,183
He apparently didn't plug the barrel or chamber when he sprayed.

Joined: Jul 2009
Posts: 5,183
V
victoro Offline OP
Campfire Tracker
OP Offline
Campfire Tracker
V
Joined: Jul 2009
Posts: 5,183
"Or have a gunsmith face off the bolt and lugs and set the barrel back if needed."

I got it off the bolts lugs with the wire wheel on my grinder in just a few minutes. It came off real easy too so I'm not sure it's even Cerakote. It made a huge difference the bolt opens/closes easily and the bolts slides in/out easily. I asked my SIL what kind of stock it was and he said it was a custom stock that the gunsmith makes. It's actually a Bell and Carlson stock (I have 2 just like it), the gunsmith just removed material in the barrel channel to float the barrel.

Joined: May 2003
Posts: 16,971
Likes: 1
S
Campfire Ranger
Offline
Campfire Ranger
S
Joined: May 2003
Posts: 16,971
Likes: 1

You have to plug the chamber and muzzle of you can over spray into the chamber & bore.

IC B3

Joined: Jul 2001
Posts: 60,162
Likes: 13
M
Campfire Kahuna
Online Content
Campfire Kahuna
M
Joined: Jul 2001
Posts: 60,162
Likes: 13
Originally Posted by victoro
I got it off the bolts lugs with the wire wheel on my grinder in just a few minutes. It came off real easy too so I'm not sure it's even Cerakote. It made a huge difference the bolt opens/closes easily and the bolts slides in/out easily. I asked my SIL what kind of stock it was and he said it was a custom stock that the gunsmith makes. It's actually a Bell and Carlson stock (I have 2 just like it), the gunsmith just removed material in the barrel channel to float the barrel.


That's how Cerakote acts when it's not installed correctly.

When it is installed correctly, it's pretty tough. Have several Cerakoted rifles I've hunted with a LOT that show hardly any wear at the corners of the muzzle crown.

You might try the wire wheel on an outside area of the barreled action. If the coating comes off as easily as off the bolt lugs, then it's either incorrectly installed Cerakote, or something else.


“Montana seems to me to be what a small boy would think Texas is like from hearing Texans.”
John Steinbeck
Joined: Feb 2017
Posts: 1,871
T
Campfire Regular
Offline
Campfire Regular
T
Joined: Feb 2017
Posts: 1,871
I wouldn't be taking anything back to that guy - ever. From poor prep work to lying about the stock, he may get a phone call but it wouldn't be for a re-work. IMO, the prep work for cerakoting is extremely important. Where are you located in Texas? I've mailed a few out for cerakoting and gotten great results

Joined: Aug 2009
Posts: 20,824
Campfire Ranger
Offline
Campfire Ranger
Joined: Aug 2009
Posts: 20,824
If the Cerakote was sprayed on it would be extremely difficult to spray the chamber and virtually impossible to spray the bore. My guess is he sprayed the bolt and feed rails causing the stickiness.


Originally Posted by Judman
PS, if you think Trump is “good” you’re way stupider than I thought! Haha

Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit.
Joined: Jul 2001
Posts: 60,162
Likes: 13
M
Campfire Kahuna
Online Content
Campfire Kahuna
M
Joined: Jul 2001
Posts: 60,162
Likes: 13
It wouldn't be all that hard to spray the visible part of the bore from the muzzle, and at least the rear of the chamber.


“Montana seems to me to be what a small boy would think Texas is like from hearing Texans.”
John Steinbeck
Joined: Jul 2015
Posts: 1,195
M
Campfire Regular
Offline
Campfire Regular
M
Joined: Jul 2015
Posts: 1,195
Originally Posted by Mule Deer
It wouldn't be all that hard to spray the visible part of the bore from the muzzle, and at least the rear of the chamber.


This ^^^

Anyone that has ever used a rattle can of spray paint should know about over spray. Even when being careful the paint mist goes everywhere. A poorly prepped rifle and a paint gun can be a mess in no time.


TB, CWD and Covid-19 , free so far.....
Joined: Jul 2001
Posts: 8,759
M
Campfire Outfitter
Offline
Campfire Outfitter
M
Joined: Jul 2001
Posts: 8,759
I've coated quite a few rifles using properly baked Cerakote and KG GunKote. I could write a small book to explain all the equipment, tricks and procedures to apply these coatings successfully. Having a background in heavy equipment and fleet refinishing using many different coatings and paints helps alot.

Done right, both baked coatings are pretty durable. The bolt face, locking lug surfaces, chamber and inner barrel should not be coated ever. The bolt should be coated except the jeweling. Flutes can be coated, it really looks cool.

Proper degreasing, and using only clean uncontaminated blast media (alum oxide) is key. Also proper cleaning/washing of the metal surfaces before and after blasting with pure acetone is important, the blasted metal surfaces tend to hold alot of blast media (alum oxide).

The coating should be spot checked and confirmed for proper heat temperature while baking with an infrared temp gun and not just guessed.

I remember one guy on here long ago who claimed KG GunKote was junk because it wouldn't stick. I suspect his work had contamination or he wasn't using the correct blast media. Handling blasted gun parts with your bare fingers will contaminate your work in short order.




Joined: May 2003
Posts: 16,971
Likes: 1
S
Campfire Ranger
Offline
Campfire Ranger
S
Joined: May 2003
Posts: 16,971
Likes: 1
IF it’s in the chamber you can take a finish reamer, and lightly hand turn it to remove the cerakote, but be darn careful doing it. It’s best to do it on a lathe, but many people buy the t-handle extension for a reamer and stick it right through the receiver.

After that lightly polishing the sides with 220 (lightly) is a OK TO good thing, but with any luck you won’t need that.
DO NOT use 320 or higher grit in the chamber or it could make the sides too slick.

On the muzzle end, you could use abrasive but I’d start with a wire brush (copper first ) to see how it behaves.

The guys are right - if you sand blast, and soak in acetone like you are supposed to it’s a bugger to get off - but in the muzzle, and chamber it should NOT have been blasted so with any luck it won’t stick like it does on the exterior.


Last edited by Spotshooter; 02/14/21.
Joined: May 2003
Posts: 16,971
Likes: 1
S
Campfire Ranger
Offline
Campfire Ranger
S
Joined: May 2003
Posts: 16,971
Likes: 1

When you say the bolt is hard to open and pull back - can you see wear marks in the cerakote on the bolt yet ?

Joined: Jul 2001
Posts: 60,162
Likes: 13
M
Campfire Kahuna
Online Content
Campfire Kahuna
M
Joined: Jul 2001
Posts: 60,162
Likes: 13
Originally Posted by Spotshooter

When you say the bolt is hard to open and pull back - can you see wear marks in the cerakote on the bolt yet ?

\
You missed the post where he already solved that problem--which was one of the indications to me that it was installed incorrectly.


“Montana seems to me to be what a small boy would think Texas is like from hearing Texans.”
John Steinbeck
Joined: Jul 2001
Posts: 8,759
M
Campfire Outfitter
Offline
Campfire Outfitter
M
Joined: Jul 2001
Posts: 8,759
I would contact the Smith or person who did the work, find out which coating was used then go from there.

Here is the training link to the Cerakote process:

Cerakote Training and Application

Most of these coatings are fairly thin and can be removed if done carefully.

I coat small screws with KG GunKote including the threaded portion and never an issue with binding or galling if it's applied correctly. In fact KG Gun coating actually improves lubricity (the moly version).




Page 1 of 2 1 2

Moderated by  RickBin 

Link Copied to Clipboard
AX24

570 members (10gaugeman, 1lessdog, 1Longbow, 1936M71, 1800topsoil, 007FJ, 64 invisible), 2,456 guests, and 1,297 robots.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
Forum Statistics
Forums81
Topics1,192,692
Posts18,494,109
Members73,977
Most Online11,491
Jul 7th, 2023


 


Fish & Game Departments | Solunar Tables | Mission Statement | Privacy Policy | Contact Us | DMCA
Hunting | Fishing | Camping | Backpacking | Reloading | Campfire Forums | Gear Shop
Copyright © 2000-2024 24hourcampfire.com, Inc. All Rights Reserved.



Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 7.7.5
(Release build 20201027)
Responsive Width:

PHP: 7.3.33 Page Time: 0.133s Queries: 54 (0.015s) Memory: 0.9050 MB (Peak: 1.0045 MB) Data Comp: Zlib Server Time: 2024-05-06 20:38:35 UTC
Valid HTML 5 and Valid CSS