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The people being protected were and are the legally elected government of this nation.
Those of us, and yes I am one, who disagree with the way they do business and the laws they pass, are rapidly becoming the minority in this nation. Or quite possibly are already the minority.
That is the thing about this nation. Those in the minority must live under the laws favored by those in the majority.
Legally? According to the highest legal authority in this nation. YES Horseschit. The highest legal authority in the US is compromised, or corrupt. You pick. Doesn't matter. It's not working for US CITIZENS.
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It is not working for you and I.
It is working just fine for the rapidly increasing liberal majority.
People who choose to brew up their own storms bitch loudest about the rain.
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Should ANFA and BLM rioters have been shot when they threw bricks at police? How about when they set fires?
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The people being protected were and are the legally elected government of this nation.
Those of us, and yes I am one, who disagree with the way they do business and the laws they pass, are rapidly becoming the minority in this nation. Or quite possibly are already the minority.
That is the thing about this nation. Those in the minority must live under the laws favored by those in the majority.
Legally? According to the highest legal authority in this nation. YES Hmmm. Actually the highest legal authority declined to hear a bunch of cases and thus declined to rule.... If a woman cries rape, but nobody hears it... Did it actually happen? Have you read Justice Thomas's dissent on "declined to hear"? You are free to make up your own mind but might I ask you to listen to this take on it: https://rumble.com/ve3qj-justice-thomas-blistering-cert-denial-dissent-viva-frei-vlawg.html
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"If memory serves fails me..." Quote: ( unnamed) "been prtty deep in the cooler todaay " Television and radio are most effective when people question little and think even less.
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Would anyone here try to climb through a smashed out window during a riot at the U.S. capital? Since you are asking, I don't know what I would do in those circumstances, and one might expect to get put down, handcuffed and arrested for climbing in. But - would an unarmed woman normally expect to be shot in the face at almost point blank range in that circumstance? If such LE reaction were to be normal procedure, just think about how many looters in how many situations in how may cities would be shot in the face for climbing in through a broken window,
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Some states allow a home/ business owner to shoot a break/enter intruder in the face at PBR. naturally LE are also permitted to do the same in certain circumstances....so there you go , a regular citizen can do what cops can do. .. I don't know what I would do in those circumstances, and one might expect to get put down, handcuffed and arrested for climbing in. You don't know what you would do as a protester Likewise if you were Capitol building security you still dont know what you might do.. If such LE reaction were to be normal procedure, ..
Breaking into the Capitol building is not normal or common for citizens , so I would not expect a normal LE type response from security assigned to protect elected officials which the armed mob was attempting to reach. AshB chose to be part of that armed mob forcing their way to the chamber, yet you think it unreasonable she got shot for leading the way for a pack of armed felons. They were pushing their luck way beyond what any reasonable person would attempt, so one would be a fool to think that security needs to be more reasonable in response at that stage. Clearly there's a point where security does not negotiate which an armed mob , and AshB for the benefit of the rest of her mob showed where that was and what one can expect if they decide to continue. Security did not go hunting for AshB, she ardently went looking for and poking the lions at the gate and got more than she bargained for...
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Some states allow a home/ business owner to shoot a break/enter intruder in the face at PBR. naturally LE are also permitted to do the same in certain circumstances....so there you go , a regular citizen can do what cops can do. Blah, blah, blah Some states, some circumstances, and from that you want to make a grand conclusion? You are continuing the leap to ridiculous. Why not take a poll and find out how many experienced and thinking people here agree with you? No - I meant a real/honest poll.
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Some states, some circumstances, and from that you want to make a grand conclusion? You are continuing the leap to ridiculous. Why not take a poll and find out how many experienced and thinking people here agree with you? No - I meant a real/honest poll.
Polls have nothing to do with the LAW. Now, including the Constitution the nation is a nation of Laws not dumbfck polls. You don't like the laws?, then do something to formally change them ..(hint- you won't achieve that through internet polls) Some laws permit a regular citizen and LE to shoot a felony intruder....there are laws that also permit a regular citizen and LE to shoot someone who is life threatening another party....there are many good citizens who appreciate such laws being in place. Since you like polls , run one to find out if folks like being able to shoot an intruder &/or shoot a perp who is about to harm another.
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Some states, some circumstances, and from that you want to make a grand conclusion? You are continuing the leap to ridiculous. Why not take a poll and find out how many experienced and thinking people here agree with you? No - I meant a real/honest poll.
Polls have nothing to do with the LAW. Now, including the Constitution the nation is a nation of Laws not dumbfck polls. You don't like the laws?, then do something to formally change them ..(hint- you won't achieve that through internet polls) Some laws permit a regular citizen and LE to shoot a felony intruder....there are laws that also permit a regular citizen and LE to shoot someone who is life threatening another party....there are many good citizens who appreciate such laws being in place. Since you like polls , run one to find out if folks like being able to shoot an intruder &/or shoot a perp who is about to harm another. WOW ! You must be an expert on shooting people.
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Some states, some circumstances, and from that you want to make a grand conclusion? You are continuing the leap to ridiculous. Why not take a poll and find out how many experienced and thinking people here agree with you? No - I meant a real/honest poll.
Polls have nothing to do with the LAW. Now, including the Constitution the nation is a nation of Laws not dumbfck polls. You don't like the laws?, then do something to formally change them ..(hint- you won't achieve that through internet polls) Some laws permit a regular citizen and LE to shoot a felony intruder....there are laws that also permit a regular citizen and LE to shoot someone who is life threatening another party....there are many good citizens who appreciate such laws being in place. Since you like polls , run one to find out if folks like being able to shoot an intruder &/or shoot a perp who is about to harm another. Starman, What are the laws concerning the 4th Amendment and the Capitol Building, as they relate to uniformed LEO's?
Trump being classless,tasteless and clueless as usual. Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit. My young wife decided to play the field and had moved several dudes into my house
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It is not working for you and I.
It is working just fine for the rapidly increasing liberal majority. The data does not show that there is a "rapidly increasing liberal majority." The Left (not liberals) now controls the Democratic Party. The Left also controls the media, entertainment including sports, education and increasingly, large corporations. However, that does not mean that they have a real majority of voters. That's why the Democrats want to import lots of illegal immigrants from Central America and make them citizens. They need to change the electorate in order to maintain control. They were only able to beat Trump in 2020 by radically and unconstitutionally changing the election laws in battleground states and then counting mail-in votes without any real authentication as well as other election shenanigans in the large cities.. Even then, they barely won. That's why they are trying to consolidate control now. The battle isn't over.
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WOW ! You must be an expert on shooting people.
No just common sense and logic which you lack. #1 Follow the law and greatly mitigate ones chances of getting shot by a good citizen or LE. #2 Use the Law to one's advantage if one finds themselves up against a perp./armed mob...coz that's what laws are designed and enacted for. If that does not compute with you it could be down syndrome or some other cognitive disability.
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quote=Starman] WOW ! You must be an expert on shooting people.
No just common sense and logic which you lack. #1 Follow the law and greatly mitigate ones chances of getting shot by a good citizen or LE. #2 Use the Law to one's advantage if one finds themselves up against an armed mob...coz that's what laws are designed and enacted for. If that does not compute with you it could be down syndrome or some other cognitive disability. [/quote] My 13 week old puppy knows more about the law then you. I double checked with a buddy a week after the shooting , he used to work for Capitol police for 7 years, then went to another agency. Yep like it or not use of deadly force was justified According to their agency’s policies. I don’t agree but that’s the law. The protesters were set up by the Dems and professional instigators. and you could see that coming from a mile away especially after last summer.
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WOW ! You must be an expert on shooting people.
No just common sense and logic which you lack. #1 Follow the law and greatly mitigate ones chances of getting shot by a good citizen or LE. #2 Use the Law to one's advantage if one finds themselves up against an armed mob...coz that's what laws are designed and enacted for. If that does not compute with you it could be down syndrome or some other cognitive disability. Maybe just deal with facts and the actual law instead incoherent rambling. Post the CP’ s use of force policies regarding forced entry into the Capitol. Pretty simple
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My 13 week old puppy knows more about the law then you.
Yet I had to correct you when you wrongly argued the law of Ilinois regarding Kyle Rittenhouse... irrelevantly citing how the law applies to you as an adult rather than the actual case of teenage Rittenhouse..TFF. I double checked with a buddy a week after the shooting , he used to work for Capitol police for 7 years, then went to another agency.
Yep like it or not use of deadly force was justified According to their agency’s policies. I don’t agree but that’s the law. ..
For starters Policy is not Law. But You double checked CP policy and categorically state it was a "legal" shoot. in the recent past I have posted reference to SCOTUS rulings regarding Fed. LE and what they have range to do under the law, but AshB defenders didn't seem interested in such. CCCC prefers polls over understanding of LAW.
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Anyone seen the video "everything wrong with the shooting of Ashli Babbitt". Post it it a link, eh? https://www.bitchute.com/video/ekQGipzU7E49/
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If the president had been in the house chamber and it was blm storming the capitol, this question would not have been asked It’s funny how defensive you clans get over basic questions. The techniques used by Chauvin are part of handcuffing 101 and all you ignorant fugks pissed all over yourself about it. Am I being defensive or are you because you know that you are a hypocrite? The simple fact is the house chamber was the line that could not be crossed without exception and she crossed it and she is dead because of it. They are not going to prosecute or release the guys name and they shouldn't. What amazes me is how stupid you have to be not to understand that. What kind of idiot thinks they can threaten the lives of elected officials without ramifications. Are you really that stupid to think that only the president's life is protected? You have to be full blown retard.
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So in our state right now we are fighting a stand your ground right. But yet y’all are saying it’s ok to shoot a unarmed person. Who in the hell would be in fear of their life by this girl. But it’s ok to have rapist come in my house rape my wife and daughter and me not be able to do anything. Plus come and take any piece of my property and me not have the right to protect it. So what did she do to deserve to be shot for?
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Folks keep singling out AshB as unarmed , Ignoring she was part of an armed mob.
If you had an armed mob breaking into your property , would you give leniency to anyone of them if they got too close to your family or friends?..I suppose if you can't see a weapon you must safely assume the felon doesnt have one...LoL.
AFAIC, any adult who willfully choses to run with such a mob in the act of felony is not exempt from equal treatment, especially when they are the individual leading the pack through the window.
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My 13 week old puppy knows more about the law then you.
Yet I had to correct you when you wrongly argued the law of Ilinois regarding Kyle Rittenhouse... irrelevantly citing how the law applies to you as an adult rather than the actual case of teenage Rittenhouse..TFF. I double checked with a buddy a week after the shooting , he used to work for Capitol police for 7 years, then went to another agency. Yep like it or not use of deadly force was justified According to their agency’s policies. I don’t agree but that’s the law. ..
For starters Policy is not Law. But You double checked CP policy and categorically state it was a "legal" shoot. in the recent past I have posted reference to SCOTUS rulings regarding Fed. LE and what they have range to do under the law, but AshB defenders didn't seem interested in such. CCCC prefers polls over understanding of LAW. Starman, you may be a self-conscious ignoramus - which would explain and maybe excuse some of your rambling - but there is no excuse for your trying to state what is in my mind or what I prefer. Because, that you simply do not know - you are ignorant of that - even though you repeatedly try to say that you do. I suggested a poll because that might help you gain some light on your personal subject.
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