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The right to self defence is very limited in Australia. NSW is the only state in which the defendent does not have prove they did not use unresenable force to defend themselfs. This was brought in by the shooters party who only have members in NSW. In any other state you have to prove you did not use unresenable force if you kill or injur somone protecting yourself on your own property. Due to this law the person in Victoria who shot through a door at a home invader was charged and he has to prove his force was resenable. In NSW he would not be charged with that. (the unregestered gun posetion and his involvment with a bikie gang war may still have led to some charges though).

I have read our home invasion rates are much higher than the US though as there is very little risk in Australia of running into an armed home owner.

James do you agree with having to regester all rifles as I think our previous system was adaquate, where once you had your gun lisence you could buy any rifle without aplying for a permit and regestering it.

I do not believe we should be able to buy handguns like rifles and curently there are many requirments and background tests before you can buy a pistol in Australia. With another test and some extra training requirments I believe it should be possable to cary a handgun. Someone who has gone through all this is not going to do anything which may put their lisence to do so at risk.

Criminals can get easy access to handguns and do cary them, so why should opropriately trained and lisenced citizens not have the right to.

I believe that I have never tried to disarm anybody, in my country or yours, Liberal.....over here the Liberal party are the right wing mob, or at least the most conservative.
What the hell do you think that I need to learn...that you are too stupid to realise that we have different laws, different customs and different expectations, You simply cannot get around the fact that I and 20 000 000 other Australians do not live in the US.
I am not trying to change your mind about anything , I am not trying to change your laws, I am not trying to change your customs..............Christ I am even happy for you to go back to playing with yourself whilst salivating over the thought of being forced to defend yourself with your precious pistol.
Wake up to yourself, your firearms laws have absolutely no bearing on me or mine, what is more we don't care what your opinions are about ours!
So you have converted other Americans to your religion.....bully for you, now get off your fat, lazy arse and convert the other 94.999996%, when you have achieved that you may have something to boast about.
You who espouse freedom do not even have the nerve to sign your own name to your posts, what, are you afraid of someone knowing that you are narrow-minded and incapable of learning.
J Stuart.

Ps, you can tell myself and the rest of my countrymen what our laws should be when you have invaded and subjugated us, but be bloody careful, we fight back!


PPS, the good news is, your wee little hissy fit has allowed myself to improve my spelling ability.

Hello, I was not aware of that change to legislation, thank you, that is certainly worth knowing.
Yes, I do agree that registration is onerous, untenable and simply plain wrong, it will not achieve squat, what is more the rotten politicians know this....that is why the germs banded together and unilaterally shoved the whole mess down our throats.
If armed carry were to be again feasible in Australia you know that only the rich and the politically connected would receive the licenses, the rest of us will still have to fend for ourselves as best we can.....like always.
James.

You are wasting you breath.........some of them cannot see that we are living in different countries with different customs and expectations, heaven forbid that we should be able to rule ourselves without big brother red-neck telling us where we are wrong.
James.

There is not that much diferance between Aus and USA. I lived in the US for nealy two years mainly in NE Montana and culture wise it is not that different to rural Aus. City Aus and City US also seem about the same and I dont like either.

Interesting to compare New Zealand, with restrictive gun laws with Vermont, which has almost no restrictions. Murder rate New Zealand = 0.012 per thousand per year, or 12 per million. Murder rate Vermont = 0.015 per thousand per year or 15 per million.

Murder rate of the whole US... = 0.045 per thousand per year, or 45 per million.

In all countries crime is most associated with large cities and most specifically, with the drug trade (look at what is happening your own cities of Aukland and Wellington).

I submit that you would have a hard time distinguishing the crime rate from where you live to a similar area in the US, and in any case would not be able to "feel" the difference between a 15 in a million chance and a 45 in a million chance.

Almost ALL Americans don't feel a NEED to carry guns either, contrary to your assumptions, but we have kept the right.

Two different mindsets...

New Zealand... we don't NEED handguns, therefore let us give up the right.

United States... we don't NEED handguns, but why should we give up the right?



Seriously, do you think your government would ever let you?

Birdwatcher

1ausie, I have been told that.....I understand your feelings about the cities, nice to visit for Christmas shopping once a year, but to live there......I think not.
Did you enjoy your time over in the States, did you manage to do any hunting whilst you were there.
James.

I got a nice Pronghorn Antelope and a Whitetail Doe. I kept passing on Whittail bucks for a bigger one which never came along. I should have done a lot more hunting when I could have and hope to go back one day for a Black Bear.

I envy you your experience....no matter what we simply have nothing that can compare to the bears, and lets face it , if you want to shop then the US is the place to visit.
James.

That URL to the spell checker is legitimate, I find that I use it all the time and with use I have found that my spelling is improving.

Well, there ya go with the accusations of "personal attacks" on my part again, along with repeating the entirely false allegation that anyone here thinks folks should have to carry handguns...

Here's a joke...

Q: Why does it take four women on their period to change a lightbulb?....

A: Because it DOES OK, it JUST DOES!!


...hmmm... who was it around here who said....



Draw ya own conclusions...

Birdwatcher

Sh_t, that should have read F_CK-ALL pistols, F_CK-ALL people being shot by pistols.

That was my mistake, I missed that..... no wonder you lot are pissed.
Sorry, James.

Ps, MAJOR stuff-up in my post, I shall correct it immediately.

The locals are still gonna need a translation, as in....

"Sh_t, that should have read NO pistols, NO people being shot by pistols."

Yer welcome....

Birdwatcher

There really is a language barrier isn't there.....you are Okay, you speak ENGLISH!
James.


Translation for our non ENGLISH speaking brethren;
"Yo Ho', few gats, few bro's be'in capped."

Murder rate Australia... about 20 per million... ...higher than many parts of the US...

Murder rate US... about 50 per million...

In both nations concentrated inside big cities and/or the drug trade... the US having more and larger big cities.

Do you really think most Americans live each day in fear of having a handgun shoved up their nose?

If so, why would so many of us who have the freedom to carry, choose not to do so?

Birdwatcher

That is the impression that I am getting from the forum, and you are right most of our murders are in relation to the narcotics trade and lunatics that should be in funny farms.
This problem may be easier solved if the courts would stop letting the violent crooks out for being nice, I personally support a death sentence, one where the violent crook gets to spend the rest of his days in a small cell until he expires....I do not support Government sanctioned murder(very difficult to dig someone up and say, oops..you ARE innocent).
James.

Well, being a Canuck, I have no right to try to change laws in Oz or "the Land of the Free", but, I will say this.

I believe firmly that the US Constitution is the FINEST document of it's type EVER created by humans, although it WAS/IS derivative from Magna Carta, the Protocols of Oxford and other British attempts at codifying fundamental birth rights.

The Second Amendment thereto is what I would like to see emulated in a new Canadian Constitution, but, the socialist rot in this country as in other Commonwealth nations prevents that, to our enduring disgrace. The UK in particular is a sad example of the abhorrent evils of multiculturalism, permissive attitudes toward drug use, sexual perversion and self reliance that socialism spawns.

I strongly believe that MY RIGHT to self defence is currently being eliminated by an increasingly arrogant, totalitarian government(s) here in Canada and our major cities are becoming sewers because of this. So, I totally support the freedom to own/carry ANY dammed gun I wqant to, without ANY government interference and so do MANY Canucks I know, including a numher of current and former coppers.

We need to realize that freedom IS under attack by those who "know best" and resist their propaganda in every possible way. Government is THE enemy now and gun owners are it's currently acceptable victims.

The part that gets me, is how the hell do the anti's get government funding and media time, their information is dubious to say the least and liable in the extreme.
James.

Kutenay...

Fine post! (what? did Hell just freeze over )

...and remember, when you DO travel to Scotland do not say

"Ha! Do you call those mountains?...."


...because then they'll know you're Texan for sure....

Birdwatcher

No, and I do not want to carry here in town on a daily basis, BUT, my point is concerning RIGHTS that we are losing rather than cultural differences that are relatively changable over time. Look at Britain circa 1900 and today, Canada with an incredible military record considering the size of the population and now we have not enough military forces available to realistically protect our territory from incursions by Russians, Chinamen, or the USA, as with OUR Northwest Passage.

I am as deeply concerned about our rights throughout the Commonwealth as your earlier point makes obvious, ...it CAN happen here........AND IT IS!

kute
+1000 on your post sir.

we speak often of the rights of men and while common usage for a long time I think it does tend to obscure the rights of women and especially elderly folk.

To deny a widow the centuries old technology to put her on somewhat equal footing with a thug or even a couple of thugs seems a travesty of justice or any sense of fair that I can fathom.

that others so vehemently disagree with that concept leaves me entirely baffled.


I'm not easy picking beings I'm almost 6'2" tall and 200 lbs. that's normally in some semblance of physical condition. My family benefits from that fact when we are out and about.
Even with that, those that would choose to do my family harm might be in for quite the surprise as my wife and children all know how to shoot, though handgun instruction for the children is minimal to this point.

But time is and will have it's way with me and my physical prowess or I could succumb to illness or accident long before that process occurs.

I'd expect my wife to be able to use available technology to compensate for my lack of protection in my absence or departure and the laws be damned if they are made by rogues that would deny her that security.

I could go on and on about this subject, and while the "bad gun" news gets all the press, we are all familiar with examples in this country where a "grandma type" has successfully defended her person or sanctuary by the utilization of a handgun.

I can tolerate a lot of gangbangers offing each other so that grandmas everywhere can exercize that right whether they choose to do so or not.

But to deny them that right is fundamentally wrong.

I may never convince anyone of that, but I will never be convinced otherwise. And I know in my heart and mind it should be a right for anyone that is frail or weak to have self protection.

I absolutely detest the thought processes that prohibit that right or the notion that it's even debatable.

YMMV