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Pretty easy to get 2950 fps with the 180 scenar and the on game performance of that bullet out to 800 yards has been very good. A guy could do the same I am sure with a good 280ai or 280 Rem, or any number of other cartridges. No magic to the case, just good at moving heavy bullets at reasonable speeds with relatively good barrel life. If I was hunting whitetails in the midwest, I'd probably opt for something else.
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I've never owned a 7 mag. But it strikes me as one of those cartridges that, if I had one, I would defend. But since I don't, it's hard to imagine buying one to do something a 280 won't already do a few hundred FPS slower. Or put another way, it's hard to imagine something requiring the step up from 280 to 7 mag that wouldn't just be better served by a significantly larger round. In my case, if a .284 won't put it down, the projectile on deck would be a .366. Couldn’t we say the same thing about the 280 and 7-08?
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I've never owned a 7 mag. But it strikes me as one of those cartridges that, if I had one, I would defend. But since I don't, it's hard to imagine buying one to do something a 280 won't already do a few hundred FPS slower. Or put another way, it's hard to imagine something requiring the step up from 280 to 7 mag that wouldn't just be better served by a significantly larger round. In my case, if a .284 won't put it down, the projectile on deck would be a .366. Couldn’t we say the same thing about the 280 and 7-08? Ha, we could go on and on I’d bet. 30338 nailed my thoughts. 160-180’s at useful speed. That’s the beauty of it. Plus they don’t seem to kick too bad to me in an 8lb gun.
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The funny part is 10 years ago, people's response to the 280AI was "if you need more than a 280 then just get a 7 mag."
Fast forward and people are poo-pooing the 7 mag and saying to just get a 280AI. 😳
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It appears that magnums in general are seeing less interest these days. Maybe all the boomers are seeing the light on std cartridges.
My one and only magnum now is a 300H&H and it's only here for nostalgic reasons. I could sell that and do quite well by using the 280 instead.
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The funny part is 10 years ago, people's response to the 280AI was "if you need more than a 280 then just get a 7 mag."
Fast forward and people are poo-pooing the 7 mag and saying to just get a 280AI. 😳 I have a 280AI but honestly I just use the 7mm-08 for everything.
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I've always thought the 280 is superior to both the 30'06 and 270.
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I've always thought the 280 is superior to both the 30'06 and 270. This belief is proof positive you are the product of intelligent, caring parents intent on teaching their child useful things in this world.
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I’ve seen more, bucks, bulls and bear unrecovered with a “7 mag” than all other calibers combined... not shiitin... ok now go!! When I first went West the guides around camp called them "Maggot Meat" the PH in South Africa didn't speak highly of them either. I myself wouldn't be without one and believe the problem lies in bullet selection for heavier game causing their issues. KC PH in South Africa was very impressed with the 7RM Sendero my bud was shooting, 160 NAB’s over RL-26 at 3K fps. Lots of DRT’s or DROT’s (dead right over there). One hunter borrowed it for a 300 yd. impala shot, boom, plop. I felt pretty good about all that; they were shooting my reloads. And, of course a lot depends on the trigger man. The gun can’t do that much by itself. DF
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The funny part is 10 years ago, people's response to the 280AI was "if you need more than a 280 then just get a 7 mag."
Fast forward and people are poo-pooing the 7 mag and saying to just get a 280AI. 😳 I see a lot of that in many comments too. I think it’s a lot of hair splitting myself. The 7mm Express Remington never sold because the 7mm Rem Mag for decades made it an afterthought. In addition Remington felt the name was confusing and sounded much like the 7mm Rem Mag. Brain children at Remington then went with 280 Remington. All is good now, except most had a 270 Win in that class type cartridges and saw no real upgrade in a 280 Remington. The 280 Rem in my opinion is a fine 7mm and worthy of praise. I see the 280 AI as another fine cartridge and a real rifleman’s cartridge. After all nothing says Hunter/Rifleman more than an Ackley monicker. Bottom line and in accordance with a majority load manuals and SAAMI load data at upper ends with 150 grain projectiles the 280 Rem is just shy of 3,000 fps, the 280 AI is running at 3,100 fps and the 7mm Rem Mag approaches 3,250 fps. Now those numbers may vary for someone willing to push the envelope, but those are the typical numbers from load data. The 7mm Rem Mag outperforms both in velocity that’s the bottom line. However none of this is going to cause me to lose much sleep.
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I've always thought the 280 is superior to both the 30'06 and 270. This belief is proof positive you are the product of intelligent, caring parents intent on teaching their child useful things in this world. Haha, thanks! 😃
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To me the 7mm rem mag is like goldilocks. Just enough bullet weight and velocity without too much recoil. But I primarily shot a 270 for 20 years before changing to the 7mm about 4 years ago and have yet to notice an animal react differently between the two
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Stumble on a couple cases of ammo for pre-Biden prices and there’d be lots of love.
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I’ve seen more, bucks, bulls and bear unrecovered with a “7 mag” than all other calibers combined... not shiitin... ok now go!! That sounds like either a classic bullet issue or maybe even cockpit error, and not a head stamp issue. Sheesh...... 
It's official. I missed the selfie deadline so I'm Maser's sock puppet because rene and the Polish half of the fubar twins have decided that I am.
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I keep thinking that an 84L Montana in 280 Rem might be the slick feeding answer without the blast and recoil that comes with the 280AI ;-)
It's official. I missed the selfie deadline so I'm Maser's sock puppet because rene and the Polish half of the fubar twins have decided that I am.
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with loading manuals only showing 130 fps or so over my 280 rem. I am not sure why i keep a 7 mag around Bingo! That's pretty much why I don't have a 7 mag. I've been a .280 fan as long as I've been a fan of shooting, reading about shooting, and I like it because it's "different." But it's damn effective.
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I’ve seen more, bucks, bulls and bear unrecovered with a “7 mag” than all other calibers combined... not shiitin... ok now go!! You read too much Jim Shockey. lol
Camp is where you make it.
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A 700 based 7mm Rem Mag,will simply make 2800fps with a .838 BC,from a 24" spouted Smooch and such thangs RULE the roost. Hint.
That magnitude is lost upon Window Lickers. Hint.
LAUGHING!....................
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LarryO!!! How bout .823 @ 2950 , 24” snout,you bacon necked dumbfuuck??
Haha 😂😂
Ping pong balls for the win.
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Crying Karen, Despite your reading my EVERY word and gawking EVERY Splendid Pixel,you HILARIOUSLY remain THE Weakest Link...you "lucky" kchunt. Hint. Congratulations?!? Fortunately for you,Imagination and Pretend are free,so you can "afford" to "contribute". Hint. LAUGHING! ![[Linked Image from imagizer.imageshack.com]](https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1280x1024q90/923/BPk5iv.jpg) Bless your poor poor(literally) heart,for doing your best. Hint. LAUGHING!......................
Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."
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